Official Kingdom of Saudi Arabia Collapse Thread...They're absolutely FU&KED!!!

[Trajan]

I am from NYC and traveled out of the country twice last year and am traveling for a month this year u clown. I went to Peru last fall.... when's the last time u traveled???? Stop assuming u are the smartest dude in the room, this always leads to your downfall in these discussions.

The collapse of a major manufacturing and cultural hub in the US is definitely a bigger deal for the US than fukking Ukraine Just like the collapse of revenue and stability from the implosion of KSA's only industry is a way bigger deal for it than any geopolitical concerns. KSA itself is a prime example of how domestic issues >>>>>>>>>> geopolitical games. KSA would be NOTHING without oil & stability. They would be fukking Yemen status. Like I said all those Wahabbi mosques and proxy wars will come to a CEASE if that oil $$$ dries up Similarly the US would be nothing without $17T a year in GDP, a stable govt that recognizes human and civil rights, and a strong n diverse economy. Guns n butter little nikka. Broke countries can't wage wars. U got the shyt backwards.

He has no idea what he's talking about in this topic.

Skimming headlines and info from 140 character tweets does not obscure the fact that he is way out of his depth here and resorts to cliche neo-con phrases to prop himself up.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

I am from NYC and traveled out of the country twice last year and am traveling for a month this year u clown. I went to Peru last fall.... when's the last time u traveled???? Stop assuming u are the smartest dude in the room, this always leads to your downfall in these discussions.

The collapse of a major manufacturing and cultural hub in the US is definitely a bigger deal for the US than fukking Ukraine Just like the collapse of revenue and stability from the implosion of KSA's only industry is a way bigger deal for it than any geopolitical concerns. KSA itself is a prime example of how domestic issues >>>>>>>>>> geopolitical games. KSA would be NOTHING without oil & stability. They would be fukking Yemen status. Like I said all those Wahabbi mosques and proxy wars will come to a CEASE if that oil $$$ dries up Similarly the US would be nothing without $17T a year in GDP, a stable govt that recognizes human and civil rights, and a strong n diverse economy. Guns n butter little nikka. Broke countries can't wage wars. U got the shyt backwards.

You keep wanting to compare Detroit to the invasion of the largest country in Europe by Russia.

Keep trying. It's maybe gonna work one of these days.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

He has no idea what he's talking about in this topic.

Skimming headlines and info from 140 character tweets does not obscure the fact that he is way out of his depth here and resorts to cliche neo-con phrases to prop himself up.

Out of my depth?

Nah, I just have a fundamentally more hardline world view than most of HL does.

You've got dudes like @tmonster and @GinaThatAintNoDamnPuppy! trying to get me to shed tears for the average citizen in fukked up countries.

 

[Trajan]

Yea.. you would think they would start cutting costs. Stop funding wahhabism. Etc Etc...

from a $15b deficit to $98billion deficit.. in one year. fukk is their economic adviser doing.



They're so fukked. Because there is no way in HFIL, that their gonna be able to generate 100bill by 2020

I have mixed feelings

Based on current tax rates and GDP they will need to generate $500B from foreigners.... or just levy a ~10% tax on Saudis

shyt will be for citizens but it is what it is. Plus oil WILL rebound. I dont really see this deficit shyt being a big deal in the short term

The problem they have is that the current consensus is based on generous govt handouts in exchange of lack of political rights for the citizen. So your average Saudi could expect free govt education..even post grad....a cushy govt job and tax free income. A lot of key essentials like energy, milk, bread, water etc were subisised so the cost of living was But it costs huge money.

Now imagine the same people who have given up all these rights are told that the govt is reneging on it's part of the bargain. The Al Saud don't want to find out what the ppl's reaction will be. Unlike the West where a govt can institute austerity..the lack of legitimacy of the Saudi govt means they would rather find alternative means of raising funds.

@Din0can they can't cut ''wahhabi'' funds because the country is built on the alliance between the conservatives and the Al Sauds. The conservatives back the Al Saud as long as they institute Wahhabism at home and propagate it abroad. They don't want to upset them too much. There are a lot of frustrated young men who are waiting for the greenlight.


Did you guys know that Saudi Arabia was actually more liberal back in the day?

They had casinos...

Western dressed women working on the national airlines

Then disaffected CRAZY extremists took over the Grand Mosque in Mecca and called for the overthrow of the Al Saud govt. Grand Mosque seizure - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

They had to call in the French to end the siege and since that time have erred on the side of extreme conservatism.

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

Grand Mosque seizure - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

70s were a gift horse for Islamic extremists. Jesus fukking Christ. All over oil we never even got control over

 

[TheDarkskinnedDrake]

KSA getting shook ,Yemen is slowly bringing them down they spent so much on there military for it to be absolute shyt. If they continue to get weakened I could see Iran pulling something big

 

[Trajan]

70s were a gift horse for Islamic extremists. Jesus fukking Christ. All over oil we never even got control over

Yeah they had to appease them. Funny thing is in Saudi Arabia it happened under the watch of the most hedonistic of kings.

For some, the most memorable image of Fahd bin Abdul Aziz Al Saud is as a young prince, emerging from a casino on the French Riviera in the early hours of the morning, an actress on each arm.

People remember him wearing an expensively cut Western suit and gazing out confidently, not in the least troubled by the wholly un-Islamic combination of drink, women and gambling.

This was not, of course, an aspect of the King's past which could be openly discussed in the Saudi media. But everyone knew the rumours.

There were stories of all night sessions at seedy clubs in Beirut, of affairs with belly dancers, and of the wife of a Lebanese businessman paid $100,000 a year to make herself available.

Then in 1969, Fahd was said to have lost $1,000,000 in a single dusk-to-dawn marathon of Scotch-fuelled gambling at the tables of a Monte Carlo nightclub.

He had to go hard breh because he had no credibility with the conservatives.

Ironically, they took it so far that people are less religious now lol. Half the population HATE the religious police for example. So the govt reduced their numbers and basically made them toothless. They are not the feared organisation they were in the 1980s and 1990s.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

70s were a gift horse for Islamic extremists. Jesus fukking Christ. All over oil we never even got control over

79 is the GOAT year of fukkery

Mosque raid

Saddam comes to power

Egypt fukkery with Israel

Iranian revolution

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

Yeah they had to appease them. Funny thing is in Saudi Arabia it happened under the watch of the most hedonistic of kings.





He had to go hard breh because he had no credibility with the conservatives.

Ironically, they took it so far that people are less religious now lol. Half the population HATE the religious police for example. So the govt reduced their numbers and basically made them toothless. They are not the feared organisation they were in the 1980s and 1990s.

Breh, link to that full story?

Religious police are just one IMO unimportant arm of power for the conservatives.......... the conservatives are ones demanding the proxy wars and perpetuating the beef with Iran, funding ISIS, using state funds to build mosques and other fukkery. They still have real power it seems and are all too eager to use it to further their goals

I get depressed thinking about all the human potential wasted by religious conservatism/extremism in that region shyt wasn't always that way.... we gave these nikkas a lane

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Breh, link to that full story?

Religious police are just one IMO unimportant arm of power for the conservatives.......... the conservatives are ones demanding the proxy wars and perpetuating the beef with Iran, funding ISIS, using state funds to build mosques and other fukkery. They still have real power it seems and are all too eager to use it to further their goals

I get depressed thinking about all the human potential wasted by religious conservatism/extremism in that region shyt wasn't always that way.... we gave these nikkas a lane

The problem they have is that the current consensus is based on generous govt handouts in exchange of lack of political rights for the citizen. So your average Saudi could expect free govt education..even post grad....a cushy govt job and tax free income. A lot of key essentials like energy, milk, bread, water etc were subisised so the cost of living was But it costs huge money.

Now imagine the same people who have given up all these rights are told that the govt is reneging on it's part of the bargain. The Al Saud don't want to find out what the ppl's reaction will be. Unlike the West where a govt can institute austerity..the lack of legitimacy of the Saudi govt means they would rather find alternative means of raising funds.

@Din0can they can't cut ''wahhabi'' funds because the country is built on the alliance between the conservatives and the Al Sauds. The conservatives back the Al Saud as long as they institute Wahhabism at home and propagate it abroad. They don't want to upset them too much. There are a lot of frustrated young men who are waiting for the greenlight.


Did you guys know that Saudi Arabia was actually more liberal back in the day?

They had casinos...

Western dressed women working on the national airlines

Then disaffected CRAZY extremists took over the Grand Mosque in Mecca and called for the overthrow of the Al Saud govt. Grand Mosque seizure - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

They had to call in the French to end the siege and since that time have erred on the side of extreme conservatism.

Don't forget there was a lot of secular pressure after ww2. But they were communists and harder to control the Arab world had tons of insightful and smart people who were not fukking with Islam. At all. Nasser used to laugh at extremists.

GOAT movie intro:

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

KSA getting shook ,Yemen is slowly bringing them down they spent so much on there military for it to be absolute shyt. If they continue to get weakened I could see Iran pulling something big

Iran just got busted shipping arms

3rd time in 2 months

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Iran smelling themselves

 

[ZoeGod]

I doubt oil will go back $100 for a long while. Iranian oil us back in market. Iran has passed 2 million barrels a day. Iraq is desperate for cash with the war with ISIS and all. So they gonna pump more. Uncertainty in the Chinese and EU is a major problem. And the shale industry is here to stay. The worst shyt is African nations are suffering worst than the mideast countires.

 

[Trajan]

Breh, link to that full story?

Religious police are just one IMO unimportant arm of power for the conservatives.......... the conservatives are ones demanding the proxy wars and perpetuating the beef with Iran, funding ISIS, using state funds to build mosques and other fukkery. They still have real power it seems and are all too eager to use it to further their goals

I get depressed thinking about all the human potential wasted by religious conservatism/extremism in that region shyt wasn't always that way.... we gave these nikkas a lane

BBC NEWS | World | Middle East | Life and legacy of King Fahd



And yes you're right. The religious police (in a lot of cases) were just a bunch of thugs, no-hopers and ex-cons trying to redeem themselves. Think born again christians given a mandate by the government operating in legal vacuum re their powers. Suffice to say they abused their powers on the regular and became hated figures.

The conservatives derive their power from their close association with the Al Sauds. This can ultimately be traced to the bargain struck between Mohammed Abdulwahhab (''Wahhabism'') and Ibn Saud (ancestor of the current kings) that he would back their rule so long as they supported his ''pure'' version of Islam. The family of Abdulwahhab got remit over all spiritual matters....The family of Al Saud got reign over all temporal matters.

The current heads of all religious matters e.g The Grand Mufti, former head of the religious police, Minister for Islamic and Social Affairs, deans of some Islamic universities are ALL direct descendants of Abdulwahhab (now going by the name Al Shaikh).

To keep the love affair going, Al Sauds propagate Wahhabism...Wahhabis (Al Shaikhs) coincidently say we should obey the rightful rulers the Al Sauds as a religious duty.

And oh yeah....they intermarry heavily. Now there's conflict of interest for ya.

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

BBC NEWS | World | Middle East | Life and legacy of King Fahd



And yes you're right. The religious police (in a lot of cases) were just a bunch of thugs, no-hopers and ex-cons trying to redeem themselves. Think born again christians given a mandate by the government operating in legal vacuum re their powers. Suffice to say they abused their powers on the regular and became hated figures.

The conservatives derive their power from their close association with the Al Sauds. This can ultimately be traced to the bargain struck between Mohammed Abdulwahhab (''Wahhabism'') and Ibn Saud (ancestor of the current kings) that he would back their rule so long as they supported his ''pure'' version of Islam. The family of Abdulwahhab got remit over all spiritual matters....The family of Al Saud got reign over all temporal matters.

The current heads of all religious matters e.g The Grand Mufti, former head of the religious police, Minister for Islamic and Social Affairs, deans of some Islamic universities are ALL direct descendants of Abdulwahhab (now going by the name Al Shaikh).

To keep the love affair going, Al Sauds propagate Wahhabism...Wahhabis (Al Shaikhs) coincidently say we should obey the rightful rulers the Al Sauds as a religious duty.

And oh yeah....they intermarry heavily. Now there's conflict of interest for ya.

Damn, wish I could rep you again breh, lot of ACTUAL knowledge and history on the region, instead of tweets and Islamophobic propaganda

So basically the Shaikhs have the Sauds hostage like those London dudes had JR and Juelz? Sauds have us behind them, why don't they just say 'FLLLLLLLUCK YALL WAHHABI nikkaS"..... surely they have to see the Shaikhs are leading them down a path towards destruction no?