Official JOKER Thread (SPOILERS)
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Makavalli
Sinister is a system
Spot on and This is where the incel comparisons came from. When white privilege fails them they turn demonic
overall a good movie. definitely an excellent performance from joaquin and the acting in general was really good, score was great. dark knight still the GOAT though
i definitely think he recovered. whole point to me is that hes considered a hero for killing the pimps, when if he had succeeded in killing palantine he wouldve been considered a monster by society.riddle me this
did Travis die at the end or did he actually recover in Taxi Driver?
i do wonder about if the scene at the end where cybil shepherd shows up again actually happened though.
I don't know shyt about Superhero's besides there name and the movies I watched, but man that was one of the best individual best acting I've seen in my life.
joaquin phoenix should win all the awards
heath got a oscar for joker
joaquin gonna get a oscar for joker
does jared leto at least have a razzy?
idk even know what was real anymore
Saysumthinfunnymike
VOTE!!!
BobbyBooshay
Arnold Jackson
Good post on Reddit
Due to the film involving an unreliable perspective, we really don't know if anything that happened happened. For example, Phillips said, or suggested, that this was only the man who inspired the Joker, becausd the age gap between him and Bruce makes it less likely to play a satisfying Batman series. But it's possible that the Thomas Wayne subplot was contrived by his insane mind as much as the Zazie subplot. Maybe he was young when this happened. Maybe Thomas was long dead and Bruce had yet to return to Gotham as Batman when this happened. Maybe the riots weren't that big of a thing and he imagined far more.
The Joker is, at the heart of the character-myth, the embodiment of insanity. His insanity is insane, he shifts between psychosis at random. It's why people don't like him to have a true backstory. Merely giving fact to his existence as anything but the Joker is, in a way, providing sanity to the madness. Having the unreliable perspective makes the film work because literally nothing in the film might have actually occurred. Alternately, some of it might have occurred. At the end of the day, the story as presented, assuming everything that was shown happened outside of the explicit reveal of what didn't happen, is part of Joker's iconic philosophy. No, not the "one bad day" shtick. Seems like Fleck had plenty of those. No, the part of his philosophy that I'm referring to is the idea of staying sane when the whole world is insane. Gotham, from the perspective that we are provided, is insane and Arthur is one of the last bastions of "sanity" (in the guise of kindness and consideration for others) until he finally realizes that to be insane in the insane world is to truly be sane and so he becomes Joker on late night television. Whether it factually happened or not is irrelevant.
The Joker is, at the heart of the character-myth, the embodiment of insanity. His insanity is insane, he shifts between psychosis at random. It's why people don't like him to have a true backstory. Merely giving fact to his existence as anything but the Joker is, in a way, providing sanity to the madness. Having the unreliable perspective makes the film work because literally nothing in the film might have actually occurred. Alternately, some of it might have occurred. At the end of the day, the story as presented, assuming everything that was shown happened outside of the explicit reveal of what didn't happen, is part of Joker's iconic philosophy. No, not the "one bad day" shtick. Seems like Fleck had plenty of those. No, the part of his philosophy that I'm referring to is the idea of staying sane when the whole world is insane. Gotham, from the perspective that we are provided, is insane and Arthur is one of the last bastions of "sanity" (in the guise of kindness and consideration for others) until he finally realizes that to be insane in the insane world is to truly be sane and so he becomes Joker on late night television. Whether it factually happened or not is irrelevant.
BobbyBooshay
Arnold Jackson
BobbyBooshay
Arnold Jackson
Heath will always be my favorite live-action Joker, but Joaquin absolutely killed it. Nothing was really too disturbing to me though.
That was the best score I've heard in a very, very long time.
Also, I noticed the thing about all the black women he interacted with too. Hell of a coincidence if it wasn't intentional.
Great movie. My bad, great cinema
Like how you said live action, Mark Hamil is the GOAT
BobbyBooshay
Arnold Jackson
meh, if i saw these 2 Jokers walking towards me on the street...
Joaquin
Heath
Joaquin held his own but he ain't fukkin' with the GOAT...
Diff stages of life though, Joaquin has barely started
BobbyBooshay
Arnold Jackson
BobbyBooshay
Arnold Jackson
I had to see this again yesterday
There were a few details I missed the first go around seeing it, and it lended more credence to some theories I had. Something I noticed in the flashback sequence when his mom is being questioned about the abuse of Arthur as a kid, the guy conducting the interview led off with “Riddle me this”, a very clear nod to the Riddler.
I had mentioned in here how Arthur killed all of his parental figures, and I noticed on rewatch yesterday his coworker who lied on his name about giving him the gun referred to him as “my boy”, giving that further credence.
I’m buying more into the idea that the whole movie was a delusion made up by Arthur while being interviewed in Arkham, and lowkey its part of why I don’t necessarily want a sequel or a follow up film of some effect. Part of the genius in this movie (to me) is in the unreliable narrator element and how it blurs the lines between what happened and what was imagined, getting any sort of sequel that ties into that creates a linear path where things either DID or DIDN'T happen, and I’d kinda prefer if they didn’t go that route. Takes away some of the magic of this movie
The whole movie, dunno about that as things DID actually happen such as Thomas Wayne dying
Also why would he imagine, that he imagined he was with Zazie
Def think parts were made up in his head, but not the whole film
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true, but that's where this origin story of the Joker is a double edged sword.
on one end, Joaquin was able to "humanize" the character being Arthur Fleck with the victim mentality... me against the world, woe is me, blah blah blah.
with Heath, there was no back story which is why i think the Joker is the GOAT villain. he shouldn't have one.
the scars on his face, 2 different stories of how he got them.
first, his father abused him. second, empathizing with his wife. no truth; pure insanity, which is what makes a villain a villain.
there was more madness behind Heath's portrayal vs. Joaquin's.