Official JOKER Thread (SPOILERS)

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Jasonmask said:
I know some jokers irl that shyt was crazy. I liked the film not even like a typical comic movie. I judged it as a film, that being said that interracial relationship was not believable at all. I liked it better than IT 2 and it wasn’t that long. The lead up to the end was great. Overall it’s a strong 8
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But... um... I think you must've went to the bathroom during a pivotal scene. :patrice:
 
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Ok my name don’t ring out in the film room but here’s my take:

SPOILERS TOO

Was good and dark but no real plot to me. If I went in with no knowledge of Batman or joker I’d be like :mindblown:

The laughing defect was annoying to me. Literally minutes of him just laughing for no reason didn’t hit.

And how old is Joker compared to Batman in this universe? Bruce was like 10 and Joker looked a real 50+ :what:

Not a bad film but served no real purpose in showing Jokers story
 
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The Real Threat of ‘Joker’ Is Hiding in Plain Sight

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Still, what struck me most is that what the film wants to say — about mental illness or class divisions in American society — is not as interesting as what it accidentally says about whiteness. For it is essentially a depiction of what happens when white supremacy is left unchecked. It shows the delusions that many white men have about their place in society and the brutality that can result when that place is denied.


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Though Fleck is pursued and investigated by Gotham’s finest, his whiteness acts as a force field, protecting him as he engages in the violent acts of the latter half of the film. Consider his appearance on the live talk show hosted by Murray Franklin (Robert De Niro). A black man acting as strangely as Fleck does would not have been allowed to go on the air. But the white Fleck is given access, and bloodshed soon follows.

Or look at how Fleck interacts with others. He is frequently in conversation with people who occupy a lower rung in society than he does: a state-appointed therapist he sees early on; a protective mother who chastises him for playing peekaboo with her son on the bus; his possible love interest, a neighbor who lives in the same building; and the psychiatrist he sees in Arkham Asylum. Every one of these characters is a black woman with whom he eventually has confrontations. Phillips consistently places Fleck in an oppositional or antagonistic position to these women.

I don’t know if this is intentional on Phillips’s part, but it is significant. When we learn that his relationship with the neighbor (played with artful restraint by Zazie Beetz) was merely a figment of his troubled imagination, the way he leaves the apartment implies that this realization has led Fleck to kill her and perhaps her child. After his final conversation with the Arkham doctor, his bloody footsteps suggest that he kills her as well.



Fleck kills white men because he cannot access their status and is ostracized by them, but his black female victims are so invisible that the film does not bother to show their deaths. We as viewers can and should take note of them.

There are other ways that whiteness informs Fleck’s character. He anticipates he’ll be treated as a son by the Wayne family, and assumes he’ll be given medical records just by asking the hospital orderly (played by the great Brian Tyree Henry). The privileges that come with Fleck’s race set him up for these unrealistic expectations. When they’re not met, the consequences are deadly.

Whiteness may not have been on the filmmakers’ minds when they made “Joker,” but it is the hidden accomplice that fosters the violence onscreen.
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kwazzy100 said:
So..since he kept having those psychotic hallucinations, how do we know ourselves what is real or not? If possible, he could had imagined the whole movie and was in the asylum the whole time.
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Heath will always be my favorite live-action Joker, but Joaquin absolutely killed it. Nothing was really too disturbing to me though.


That was the best score I've heard in a very, very long time.


Also, I noticed the thing about all the black women he interacted with too. Hell of a coincidence if it wasn't intentional.


Great movie. My bad, great cinema :troll:
 
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Idk I went in expecting him to turn into tyler durden when he went full joker, I guess I just wanted more mayhem
 
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Eastside Get The Money said:
Ok my name don’t ring out in the film room but here’s my take:

SPOILERS TOO

Was good and dark but no real plot to me. If I went in with no knowledge of Batman or joker I’d be like :mindblown:

The laughing defect was annoying to me. Literally minutes of him just laughing for no reason didn’t hit.

And how old is Joker compared to Batman in this universe? Bruce was like 10 and Joker looked a real 50+ :what:

Not a bad film but served no real purpose in showing Jokers story
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Watch the movie as if you are watching any ole film and not try to view it through the lens as if you are watching a movie based on superhero comics. It shows how the city deals with people with mental illness and the wealth gap between the lower income and the upper class.
 
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