Official JOKER Thread (SPOILERS)

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Idk I went in expecting him to turn into tyler durden when he went full joker, I guess I just wanted more mayhem
It seems to be the very beginning, he doesn't even have any henchmen or guns other than that little 38.

I assume he really becomes The Joker we saw portayed in TDK after he gets out the asylum hes currently in.
 

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So..since he kept having those psychotic hallucinations, how do we know ourselves what is real or not? If possible, he could had imagined the whole movie and was in the asylum the whole time.

I’ve seen this theory being floated around but in the movie, they make effort to show you what scenes were hallucinated and which ones are real because they always reference back to show you what really happened.
 

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Ok... I wanna debate this....
Cause it feels like everyone in the world says what u said about heaths performance but I never got it... I liked it, but it was never special.
I heard all the hype before hand... how he was in a dark place and his performance was so dark and disturbing.

I expected what I saw from Pheonix in this joker movie, from heath in that Dark Knight movie.
I never got that feeling.

Because these are different types of movies... I'm not gonna bash heath on that..
I just have to compare his performance to something else.

Jack Nicholson's joker... and I felt like he did it better than heath.

Now, I feel like they all did a great job..
They are professionals.
But this whole notion that Heath Ledger had some Daniel Day Lewis type of performance in that movie is some bullshyt I can not, and will never agree with

Heath Ledger’s Joker was so overrated. Ppl overrate it because he died right after he filmed it. All he did was stutter n flap around for 2 hours.
 

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Martin Scorsese Quietly Left the Joker Movie

Martin Scorsese caught flack earlier this month for dismissing comic book films, despite many fans pointing out he was a producer on Joker, but a new report claims that, while he might be credited as a producer, he quietly departed the project and had his producing partner take over the necessary responsibilities. According to The Hollywood Reporter, a Warner Bros. source revealed to them that Scorsese's initial involvement was born out of a need for a producer based in New York City, only for Emma Tillinger Koskoff to enlist much of the crew from Scorsese's The Irishman to shoot the DC Comics film.

The outlet pointed out that Scorsese isn't quick to serve as a producer on a film unless he was directly involved in developing the project or if he wants to use his notoriety to boost a project from lesser-known filmmakers. As Joker doesn't fit into either of these categories, it seems more likely that, while Joker has been drawing comparisons to some of Scorsese's most iconic films, he served as a producer in name only, with Koskoff handling whatever his obligations might have been.

This report would fall much more in line with Scorsese's overall view of comic book movies, as he revealed recently that he views superhero films more as theme park rides and not as actual "cinema."

“I don’t see them. I tried, you know? But that’s not cinema,” Scorsese revealed to Empire Magazine about comic book films. “Honestly, the closest I can think of them, as well made as they are, with actors doing the best they can under the circumstances, is theme parks. It isn’t the cinema of human beings trying to convey emotional, psychological experiences to another human being.”

Understandably, his involvement with Joker and comments dismissing superhero films were called out as being hypocritical, but if he wasn't involved in the new film, he likely doesn't want to distance himself from Joker on the record just for the sake of clarifying his thoughts on the genre.

The Hollywood Reporter also noted that some theories about Scorsese's involvement was to convince Leonardo DiCaprio, who starred in Scorsese's The Departed, The Wolf of Wall Street, Gangs of New York, and more, to take on the role of the DC Comics villain, though multiple sources confirmed that director Todd Phillips was only ever interested in Joaquin Phoenix for the role.
 
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