BobbyBooshay
Arnold Jackson
Yes spesh with Murray
Official JOKER Thread (SPOILERS)
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Yes spesh with Murray
BobbyBooshay
Arnold Jackson
Him kissing the Dr was definitely a reference to the Dark Knight Returns
Yeah the whole talk show and killing was def a lil nod
One of my favorite lines/moments that I haven't seen anyone discuss (including the Youtubes):
When Murray is having his back and forth with Joker about whether the rich can be good people, he challenges Joker to say why Murray isn't a good person and Phoenix just stares at him and quietly almost growls:
"Because you played that video of me"
That was so well delivered, truly menacing while at the same time you could tell he was in his feelings. Iirc that's also when he decides to kill Murray instead of himself.
"Because you played that video of me"
That was so well delivered, truly menacing while at the same time you could tell he was in his feelings. Iirc that's also when he decides to kill Murray instead of himself.
Jacaveli The Don
Superstar
Yeah, that p*ssy is quiet as a mouse after being the FORTH highest poster in this thread
Thank God his corny ass has shut up
NobodyReally
Superstar
Yes! You voiced all my feelings about it. Also, I think the racial aspect you mentioned was purposeful. White directors do not go out of their way to cast this many black people in a blockbuster by coincidence. For me it just underscores how much society bends over backwards to understand and sympathize with white men who do evil shyt. Will we ever get a Joker like film about a black man who kills? Nah.
fukkyalifestyle
Superstar
9/10
LinusCaldwell
From The Eastside with Love
Joker is great it’s a top 3 comic book film for me. That’s right behind TDK and TWS. 9/10
I just wish they gave him jokes even dark humor jokes
I just wish they gave him jokes even dark humor jokes
yall kinda over hyping it 7.5/10 for me. this is like batman begins, I anticipate the next film to be nuts
nah keep the jokes out. Maybe in a sequel once he has fully come into his own and become more arrogant or something.
David_TheMan
Banned
Its a okay movie, but it does everything I hate with modern movies.
It tries to humanize a piece of shyt. SMH.
Now days you can't ever have a person simply be a miserable piece of shyt, they have to try to make it "reasonable" for the person to be how they are.
this movie is a failure to me, especially since its a one off elsewhere type story.
Oh well
It tries to humanize a piece of shyt. SMH.
Now days you can't ever have a person simply be a miserable piece of shyt, they have to try to make it "reasonable" for the person to be how they are.
this movie is a failure to me, especially since its a one off elsewhere type story.
Oh well
Poetical Poltergeist
Precise and cold hearted
What next film?
And yes most people are over hyping this movie. It's taxi driver reboot with a hint of comic lore. Phoenix is outstanding but the story is thin and predictable af.
The movie was OK, not great. Joaquin killed it, so let's take him off the table. Everything else was between OK and good. The cinematography was excellent.
I think it these modern takes on Gotham and its grittiness, they really fail to emphasize how absurd the city is. Even here, it's stated but not enough. Gotham is like a Stephen King town. The city itself, has a dome of grime that engulfs it. It creates different levels of madness. Only TDK and Burton's have shown that, but only Burton's was the city a character. The movie itself, is a predictable mashup of Taxi Driver and Falling Down, moreso Taxi Driver, because the fun element of Falling Down is absent. The movie is a drag.
They should've went 80's over-the-top feel. Only one scene has that. Overall, it's about a 7-7.5.
I think it these modern takes on Gotham and its grittiness, they really fail to emphasize how absurd the city is. Even here, it's stated but not enough. Gotham is like a Stephen King town. The city itself, has a dome of grime that engulfs it. It creates different levels of madness. Only TDK and Burton's have shown that, but only Burton's was the city a character. The movie itself, is a predictable mashup of Taxi Driver and Falling Down, moreso Taxi Driver, because the fun element of Falling Down is absent. The movie is a drag.
They should've went 80's over-the-top feel. Only one scene has that. Overall, it's about a 7-7.5.
I dunno how people keep saying "it doesn't feel like a comic book movie". I mean what exactly did you expect a comic book movie to feel like? I have a strong feeling that strong feeling that people are conditioned to how Marvel make their movies that they assume that all comic book referenced films should be in that way thematically. Most comic books these days and pretty much for decades now have been more mature, adult, and referenced to real life social commentary that's reflective of those times. So, I do not understand how people say, and no offense to your post, that it doesn't "feel" like a comic book movie or it strayed away from the source material. Especially with this film which is VERY MUCH authentic and VERY MUCH based on the source material. The Joker, in the comics, is a sadistic, narcissistic villain of Batman.
He does not have a true legitimate origin story, and with this movie, despite it calling itself an "origin story" is basically The Killing Joke and not really a true origin story because its narrator is unreliable. You cannot believe some if not anything in this movie as being true.
You have Gotham and its people at its worse state. You have someone who eventually becomes the Joker being sick and demented as well as mentally unstable. How is that different from how it's portrayed in the comics? That's what I do not understand when stuff like it doesn't feel like a comic book movie. What exactly does a comic book movie supposed to feel? What did you supposed to expect from this movie? Some Cesar Romero version of Joker from the 1960's TV show? This is reference directly from Killing Joke.
Also, this movie did not glorify and have him looked upon as a hero whatsoever. It showed how messed up society is, how dismissive the social elite are and how they view those who live downtrodden and struggling day by day. It showed how people dismiss mental illness and how we do need to pay more attention to those social services that assist on helping those with mental illness. It showed that Gotham in and in turn us as a society need to pay more attention to who and how we are. Arthur Fleck is NOT a sympathetic character. He's someone who always fetishes murder and medication kept suppressing his true internal cravings. His evolution is based on how messed up Gotham society been as a whole. How he supposedly viewed as a "hero" may be a false narrative.
As for the racial aspect. Let's just say that every black character came as a voice of rationale or support.
Bleed The Freak
Superstar
An R Batman with Jason Todd or Hugo Strange would be epic
I don't understand what's "everything else" when taking him off the table when he is 99.9% in every single scene. There IS NO everything else. Unless you was looking or expecting everything else. There's isn't any. The entire film revolves literally around Arthur Fleck.
Also, I never go into any movie putting a preconceived expectation of what the movie SHOULD BE. I'm the filmmaker. I go with what the actual filmmaker want to portray their film to be. So, it doesn't make sense of trying to define what Gotham is from how you expect it to be rather than what the filmmaker want to dress it up as. And if anything, this criticism should of been at Christopher Nolan which had Gotham in its portrayal a lot more normal and less gritty. TDK did not show any parts of Gotham as absurd. Time Burton's take has in your description but again that was how he envisioned it. In Phillip's take, he used class, the sanitary strike, how the trash kept piling up, the super rats, and the growing emotional chaos of society as its portrayal of Gotham. It's grounded on realism and not absurd levels because he wanted a realistic portrayal of this movie. So, you can criticize it if it failed to make those standard of what the filmmaker WANTED, not for what you expected.
And the film was said all the way back in pre-production that it's going to be inspired by films from Scorsese. So, it was supposed to be expected to have homages to Taxi Driver, King of Comedy, Shutter Island... mind you, that Falling Down is a homage to Taxi Driver too.