Really, I didn't know that was the case. If so then yea, it's a wrap. Disney doesn't do the R-rated stuff.
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Really, I didn't know that was the case. If so then yea, it's a wrap. Disney doesn't do the R-rated stuff.
Still FloW
Gawd Of Shinobi
$93.5 domestic, $234 million opening week Worldwide
The CLOWN Prince had the last laugh after all the critics, naysayers and media trying to downplay its hype through fear mongering.. the people have spoken
The CLOWN Prince had the last laugh after all the critics, naysayers and media trying to downplay its hype through fear mongering.. the people have spoken
Drew Wonder
Superstar
It’s ironic to me that some critics are looking at this as a far right propaganda film when it has way more far left elements. He’s off his meds because there’s no more funding for his social services. He inspires an Occupy Wall Street type movement. Thomas Wayne is depicted as this rich out of touch Donald Trump-like figure. The guys he kills that sparks everything are basically caricatures as the rich, rapey Wall Street types. But I also think it’s indicative of the horseshoe theory where at some point if you go far left or far right enough on the spectrum and share this common belief that there are bigger forces oppressing you and the only way to stop it is through extreme measures, people with opposite political ideologies end up meeting at a certain place.
As far as race though the one thing I do find frustrating with movies like these is that the reasons many people find Arthur sympathetic for, (traumatic childhood, his mental health, not having access to proper care, living in poverty everyday) are things that so many black people who turn to crime face every day. They just don’t have the luxury of getting people’s sympathy or understanding. And that’s where I see the privilege. But it seems like critics of the movie are ignoring this element in favor of the whole incel argument which again I didn’t really see outside of his speech to Deniro at the end
As far as race though the one thing I do find frustrating with movies like these is that the reasons many people find Arthur sympathetic for, (traumatic childhood, his mental health, not having access to proper care, living in poverty everyday) are things that so many black people who turn to crime face every day. They just don’t have the luxury of getting people’s sympathy or understanding. And that’s where I see the privilege. But it seems like critics of the movie are ignoring this element in favor of the whole incel argument which again I didn’t really see outside of his speech to Deniro at the end
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mastermind
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That had me and my wife laughing tooOne thing that had me laughing was...
Right before Arthur was bout to perform for the first time
There was audio of another comedian and he had a joke about men comparing sex to parked cars
"Oh there's a spot I like"
"Oh we will take any spot we can get"
"Handicapped?Hope no one sees this"
Question:
Thomas Wayne really is his father, right?
He killed Zazie Baetz and the daughter too, right?
He killed Zazie Baetz and the daughter too, right?
Also this movie had nothing to do with incels.
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$93.5 domestic, $234 million opening week Worldwide
The CLOWN Prince had the last laugh after all the critics, naysayers and media trying to downplay its hype through fear mongering.. the people have spoken
Word of mouth been insane, people are loving it and telling their friends and family.
OJ Simpsom
Superstar
NoThat had me and my wife laughing too
Question:
Thomas Wayne really is his father, right?
He killed Zazie Baetz and the daughter too, right?
Also this movie had nothing to do with incels.
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That had me and my wife laughing too
Question:
Thomas Wayne really is his father, right?
He killed Zazie Baetz and the daughter too, right?
Also this movie had nothing to do with incels.
1. Nah, the papers he gets at Arkham prove he was adopted.
There is some ambiguity over whether Thomas had an affair, as Arthur has a picture of his mom with a compliment from a "T.W." on the back.
2. Also ambiguous, I think he killed her
There is some ambiguity over whether Thomas had an affair, as Arthur has a picture of his mom with a compliment from a "T.W." on the back.
2. Also ambiguous, I think he killed her
Zazie:That had me and my wife laughing too
Question:
Thomas Wayne really is his father, right?
He killed Zazie Baetz and the daughter too, right?
Also this movie had nothing to do with incels.
I don't think she ever really existed. I think their whole interaction was imaginary including that "break in" scene. She represent the last bit of hope he had, She was a "push" for him. Something good that kept him "Artur" He had to "kill" the fantasy to ultimately become "joker".
Thomas:
Is not his father. Arthur gets proof that he is fact adopted but also was abused his entire life by his mother who is also mentally ill. This is why he kills her and "celebrates" it. As he says in the film.
Yaddam Yussein
All Star
LOVED IT
DJ Paul's Arm
Veteran
Anyone got a link to this?
dangerranger
All Star
I finally had a chance to watch this film and sit with my thoughts on it. I’ve read the reviews from critics and looked at the online reception for this film
First and foremost I will give the film a 6.5-7/10 score. It’s a good film I will say that. Is it the masterpiece that it’s being made out to be? I strongly disagree. Especially people saying it’s a cult classic. It can’t be a cult classic if everybody’s loving it.
I do believe that Joaquin Phoenix’s phenomenal performance is what carries the movie. This makes sense as he is the titular character but the story of this movie is rather thin and it’s his performance that overshadows this.
If you’ve been following this thread, you’ll know I had my reservations on how this Joker would be portrayed. I always wondered if he would be on his way to becoming the crime prince of Gotham, or a mastermind, or homicidal maniac. Turns out he was neither. Joker is inadvertently turned into an antihero the way the narrative is written. Now before going off hear me out. I walked out of the movies after watching the movie saying to myself hey, pretty much everybody Arthur kills to some degree deserved it. We can argue they don’t deserve to die but he deserved to get revenge on them.
Even to the protestors, Joker is a hero. For a movie that tells the origin of the most notorious comic book villain, he is given the most heroic story. I think it’s funny, if he wasn’t the “Joker” and this was any other film, we would have been rooting for him all along. That’s jarring to me because this is Joker. So what’s the end of message of this film?
Now let’s talk about this disturbing label. Why all this hyperbole. This movie wasn’t disturbing in the least. We see more violent stuff in regular movies nowadays that I’m like wtf. For Christ sakes, Netflix’s Punisher was more disturbing than everything in Joker. All things considered I think for a rated R film, Joker played things relatively safe. The most violent thing we see in the film occurs in his apartment.
I understand and liked the grittiness of Gotham but when the problems that plague Gotham are happening so much off screen (radio and TV interviews), much of the narrative of the rich vs the poor is lost on screen. It seems so hammy and forced for how the protests end up happening because it doesn’t happen organically it’s simply for the plot and to help Arthur along his journey.
A lot of what happens in this movie are what I would call happy accidents. Perhaps that plays into the narrative of life is a comedy. Or that anybody could have a bad string of days. Idk the circumstances that happen to Arthur to make him transform to degree are rather ordinary. That’s what I think about most. Were the creators intending to make a story that says any one of us could become Joker if we have a series of bad events happen back to back.
Anyways those are my thoughts. Good film, but leaves things to be desired. I truly think in time that once the hype dies down, more people will be able to scale this film objectively especially when looking at the story.
First and foremost I will give the film a 6.5-7/10 score. It’s a good film I will say that. Is it the masterpiece that it’s being made out to be? I strongly disagree. Especially people saying it’s a cult classic. It can’t be a cult classic if everybody’s loving it.
I do believe that Joaquin Phoenix’s phenomenal performance is what carries the movie. This makes sense as he is the titular character but the story of this movie is rather thin and it’s his performance that overshadows this.
If you’ve been following this thread, you’ll know I had my reservations on how this Joker would be portrayed. I always wondered if he would be on his way to becoming the crime prince of Gotham, or a mastermind, or homicidal maniac. Turns out he was neither. Joker is inadvertently turned into an antihero the way the narrative is written. Now before going off hear me out. I walked out of the movies after watching the movie saying to myself hey, pretty much everybody Arthur kills to some degree deserved it. We can argue they don’t deserve to die but he deserved to get revenge on them.
Even to the protestors, Joker is a hero. For a movie that tells the origin of the most notorious comic book villain, he is given the most heroic story. I think it’s funny, if he wasn’t the “Joker” and this was any other film, we would have been rooting for him all along. That’s jarring to me because this is Joker. So what’s the end of message of this film?
Now let’s talk about this disturbing label. Why all this hyperbole. This movie wasn’t disturbing in the least. We see more violent stuff in regular movies nowadays that I’m like wtf. For Christ sakes, Netflix’s Punisher was more disturbing than everything in Joker. All things considered I think for a rated R film, Joker played things relatively safe. The most violent thing we see in the film occurs in his apartment.
I understand and liked the grittiness of Gotham but when the problems that plague Gotham are happening so much off screen (radio and TV interviews), much of the narrative of the rich vs the poor is lost on screen. It seems so hammy and forced for how the protests end up happening because it doesn’t happen organically it’s simply for the plot and to help Arthur along his journey.
A lot of what happens in this movie are what I would call happy accidents. Perhaps that plays into the narrative of life is a comedy. Or that anybody could have a bad string of days. Idk the circumstances that happen to Arthur to make him transform to degree are rather ordinary. That’s what I think about most. Were the creators intending to make a story that says any one of us could become Joker if we have a series of bad events happen back to back.
Anyways those are my thoughts. Good film, but leaves things to be desired. I truly think in time that once the hype dies down, more people will be able to scale this film objectively especially when looking at the story.
mastermind
Rest In Power Kobe
1. Nah, the papers he gets at Arkham prove he was adopted.
There is some ambiguity over whether Thomas had an affair, as Arthur has a picture of his mom with a compliment from a "T.W." on the back.
2. Also ambiguous, I think he killed her
The adoption papers don’t actually prove Joker isn’t Wayne’s son. Remember that Thomas Wayne is the most powerful person in Gotham and is a Trump-like figure. Also remember that Fleck’s mom worked at the Wayne house and was described as beautiful. Why would the courts allow an insane woman to adopt a child? I have a feeling they left it ambiguous but that paperwork proved nothing. Thomas Wayne immediately recognized the name and who she was.
Still FloW
Gawd Of Shinobi
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nikka what. you mean FOX, kiddy ass mouse aint making no R-rated flick..
Still FloW
Gawd Of Shinobi
2 GREAT subtle dark comedic moments that floored me:
now thats how you do dark comedy without it being in your face
1) when the Super rats along behind Bruce after his parents were killed, calling back from the news report and them lil master splinters were big as fukk lmaooooo
2) Gary trying to reach for the lock after Joker bodied randal.. lil man jumping to no avail
p.s the Handicap line was A-1, I hope no one sees it
2) Gary trying to reach for the lock after Joker bodied randal.. lil man jumping to no avail
p.s the Handicap line was A-1, I hope no one sees it
now thats how you do dark comedy without it being in your face