Official JOKER Thread (SPOILERS)

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Breh...we don't even know if any of that was real :mindblown:


He prefers his past to be multiple choice because it's more fun that way

We know that the murders are real but even the whole involuntary laughter thing...for all we know that's bullshyt that he was telling the doctor at Arkham for sympathy, and he's just the same psychopath clown we know!!

Todd did a great job of depicting Joker as a unreliable narrator with not only lying, but with his mental illness of delusion. Him coming to terms with it was brutal.

he set viewers up for it this when him and his moms was watching Murray Franklin. When he entered Sophie apartment the final time I was like damn, he was stalking this bytch the whole time:ohhh:

So there is a theory circulating that most of the movie was in his head. That doesn't make sense but the problem is that like him dating his neighbor, we don't know how much of the movie is in his head. Did the last scene before he got locked up, with crowd chanting his praises, even happen at all? That's just the kind of delusions of grandeur his mind would make up.
 

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I’m not a huge movie buff and don’t follow the critic scene much but I find the whole thing with this movie odd. A month ago it was receiving the highest of praise from esteemed movie festivals. Then the last couple weeks the dialogue changed around this movie and people got into some weird uproar about the dangers of it. Then you saw the RT score drop to like 80% over a week. And then within a day on the release it drops to a 69% and I just don’t understand how that’s possible with this movie. I mean not to compare it to a comic book movie, but it seems that would be fair game, Ant Man 2 has an 88% score? Not that I would compare it to a commercialized, mainstream comic book movie but I don’t know. I’m having a difficult time wrapping my head around the sudden backlash of this movie.
Pretty simple. No movie is made or critiqued in a vacuum. So a lot of critics, even those at festivals, started looking at the movie in terms of our current atmosphere and questioned it and wondered if it was being irresponsible or if it has a message that isn’t the best. Not the first time it’s happened in movie history and it won’t be the last. But also that shyt doesn’t matter in the long run.

Movies aren’t objective. There’s no right or wrong to how you judge a movie. You watch the movie, figure how it made you feel, and then analyze why it made you feel that way. And every critic or viewer has their own process for that and also will feel differently about any given movie. Challenging movies are often polarizing. That’s also nothing new. Night if the hunter is the only movie Charles Laughton ever directed. Got terrible reviews at the time and was a bomb in its day. Ruined his career. Now it’s heralded as a classic. The shining and the thing got awful reviews at the time and the thing bombed. Now they’re both seen as two undisputed classics. The thing all three movies ave in common is they’re challenging. They’re not easy to wrap your head around, they don’t give easy answers, and they show a bleak world inhabited by even bleaker people at times.

That’s art and art can be challenging or it can be ant man 2. There’s no right or wrong.
 

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Pretty simple. No movie is made or critiqued in a vacuum. So a lot of critics, even those at festivals, started looking at the movie in terms of our current atmosphere and questioned it and wondered if it was being irresponsible or if it has a message that isn’t the best. Not the first time it’s happened in movie history and it won’t be the last. But also that shyt doesn’t matter in the long run.

Movies aren’t objective. There’s no right or wrong to how you judge a movie. You watch the movie, figure how it made you feel, and then analyze why it made you feel that way. And every critic or viewer has their own process for that and also will feel differently about any given movie. Challenging movies are often polarizing. That’s also nothing new. Night if the hunter is the only movie Charles Laughton ever directed. Got terrible reviews at the time and was a bomb in its day. Ruined his career. Now it’s heralded as a classic. The shining and the thing got awful reviews at the time and the thing bombed. Now they’re both seen as two undisputed classics. The thing all three movies ave in common is they’re challenging. They’re not easy to wrap your head around, they don’t give easy answers, and they show a bleak world inhabited by even bleaker people at times.

That’s art and art can be challenging or it can be ant man 2. There’s no right or wrong.

Well said. I just want this movie to get it’s due and I don’t want some misguided reaction to cause any artists to doubt the work their doing in the future, esp ones associated with this movie.

Like I said earlier, this movie basically hit on all cylinders for me relative to my expectations once I first heard about the concept.
 

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Some of this stuff art ... lol


you know i am right and they are going to fukk it up.
Plus, the stories i pulled all this shyt from is from their vertigo and relaunched series. All of it happens in their books.
so why is it not a progression of that. Since they are to stoopid to tell the stories. that already have dynamic drawing scripts and layouts already printed for them to begin with. That is how fukk'n stoopid wb is. Or how wb likes to sell products that feature absence of reason. All of America sells their shyt absent of reason.
that, if you buy it. You are absent of reason as well.

so which is it.
or whom is an absentee of reason.

it sure is not me.

is it you.
or our narcissistic colonizers who run this weak ass country.




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the low marks of criticism. if there are any if this film. Should be from several directions. One using superhero antihero trust turned into villains as a lone piece of dialogue. Two, the fact wb actually wasted all the content on this film. To make yet another nineties prison industrial economy global gateway propaganda film. All disguised and packaged in the superhero villain cinematic film scope and genre. All just as a blatant critical/political and revenue grab play. Centered and lacking in complete and total good faith..


the shyt wb did leading up to and forward.
after this film is deplorable. As it acts as a marketing tool to further. The prison industrial economy ideals. All fake centered around being an alternative heal revenue grab product.


shyt is bullshyt.
plus, conclusively. We know the wb in absence of reason purposefully. Can not even link any high quality ideas together in succession. Even when using absence of reason. As revenue grab ideals shield them from even recognizing almost close losing more than severl billion consistently. From their corporate justified and entered minds and pockets. shyt is a joke hie much money they left on the table in this film. All in the sake of greed. when in this movie alone. It has at least eleven possible spinoffs. Let alone the joker sequel movies. That could have included robin's death and the tape of batgirl eventually. Where batman is by proxy.
given even more credit and growth as a hero/character on screen.
with much needed depth and cinematic weight to boot.




art barr
The bolded is spot on and it's what we've been saying about WB for a minute but people get all up in arms and think it's stanning but it's a serious critique of how this company is misusing it's properties.

nikkas are thankful for a reheated Big Mac from the night before, meanwhile Marvel is trying to give you a homecooked meal from scratch, and a cohesive one too where all the dishes compliment each other.
 

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Well said. I just want this movie to get it’s due and I don’t want some misguided reaction to cause any artists to doubt the work their doing in the future, esp ones associated with this movie.

Like I said earlier, this movie basically hit on all cylinders for me relative to my expectations once I first heard about the concept.
It’s getting it’s due tho. It’ll make a ton of money, get some awards during award season and then history will handle the rest. Focusing purely on the tomato meter is folly. Focusing purely on the negative reviews is worse. It’ll be fine man lol
 

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Pretty simple. No movie is made or critiqued in a vacuum. So a lot of critics, even those at festivals, started looking at the movie in terms of our current atmosphere and questioned it and wondered if it was being irresponsible or if it has a message that isn’t the best. Not the first time it’s happened in movie history and it won’t be the last. But also that shyt doesn’t matter in the long run.

Movies aren’t objective. There’s no right or wrong to how you judge a movie. You watch the movie, figure how it made you feel, and then analyze why it made you feel that way. And every critic or viewer has their own process for that and also will feel differently about any given movie. Challenging movies are often polarizing. That’s also nothing new. Night if the hunter is the only movie Charles Laughton ever directed. Got terrible reviews at the time and was a bomb in its day. Ruined his career. Now it’s heralded as a classic. The shining and the thing got awful reviews at the time and the thing bombed. Now they’re both seen as two undisputed classics. The thing all three movies ave in common is they’re challenging. They’re not easy to wrap your head around, they don’t give easy answers, and they show a bleak world inhabited by even bleaker people at times.

That’s art and art can be challenging or it can be ant man 2. There’s no right or wrong.



I think that whole art is subjective shyt is a lie and play.
made by people who are not gifted with the ability to actually pencil. Then misappropriating being a penciler or real artist. for buzzwords like painter, musician etc.then coupling misappropriation with absence of reason. then trying to misappropriate what a penciler or real artist can do. For what someone who is incapable of penciling at a high level. Then calling anything lesser skilled than pencilin.
this misappropriated buzzword called art.
which is a fools' foolhearty agent employing absence of reason.


art is not subjective.
can you draw or not makes you an artist.

A painter is not an artist.
he is a painter.

A rapper is not a rapper culturally.
it is a misappropriated teem for someone not an emcee.

Same misappropriation, and absent of reason present in labeling everything art.

just because you paint does not mean you can draw and thus are not an artist.
if you can not draw period.

being able to draw is a god gifted talent.

that is bestowed without reason.

anything after being capable of being able to draw. Is acting with reason because you can not draw at all. Or create real drawings from nature or your mind. that fully and realistically illustrate life in a standard black white medium.

meaning without the aid of the color palette as well.

you are not an artist.
if you do not have this gift period.

this whole art is subjective is a lie.
it is a liar takes or finesse funds.
from someone who is not gifted with ability to pencil.
anyone who can really draw for real on a real self taught master level will tell you the truth about art.

anything else is a liar using component absent of reason.




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the only real penciler.
or the only real artist first in this bytch for real.
all the rest of the shyt anyone says is a lie.
Especially someone who can not draw.
to latch on to being an artist. They are a low skill mediocre liar.
if they tell you different . Looking for a payday to be lazy and sell you more of their talentless misappropriated bullshyt.


If you doubt.
we can share artistic professional credits and work and i know you a liar. Or you a talentless classically trained phoney at the end of The day.
y'all listen to liars employing absence of reason.
nit knowing but thinking you are artistically creating this new journey. When you only restepping over misappropriated steps of others.
foolhearted enough to chase the same misforgotten path to poverty.


keep believe'n dese dolts.

Or believe the person.
outside of their real artistic natural talents.
went to work as the best.
where he already made it so.
you could even communicate with someone like minded.


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The bolded is spot on and it's what we've been saying about WB for a minute but people get all up in arms and think it's stanning but it's a serious critique of how this company is misusing it's properties.

nikkas are thankful for a reheated Big Mac from the night before, meanwhile Marvel is trying to give you a homecooked meal from scratch, and a cohesive one too where all the dishes compliment each other.




This.

I gave the whole marvel versus dc absence of reason rant.
On both companies before both sold out, way before corporate takeover.

in that I discuss in detail why dc and wb will always fail. Employing the ideal f reason being absent.
in this movie. It is so chockfull of reason. That it clearly misses tons of profitable content within l reason to tether to.
plus in absence of reason based fashion. Expects everyone in the audience to not recognize this filmhouse. Does nuffin but market us product lacking reason. Then reasonably expect us to ignore this lack of reason globally and centrally across time. When we are in a communication based age. where you can market any everything within perfect reason. Plus this age has shown products practically illustrate employing absolute reason actually work and are orofitable beyond any product that is absent of reason.

you will not ask me to read book for forty Plus years of my life. Then keep coming around telling me you have a copy the book on film that is not the book i read. Yet expect me to act as though i and the le world is narcissistically absent of reason.


fukk all that. That is why the world is still being contrilled by these racist pedophiles. Only a pedophile or racist co tinually asks yoi to commit to being absent of reason.






The misappropriated frame work of society is built.
In their purposefully misappropriated ideal of reason being absent.

it is like listening to the gay coward in the bunker.
on how to bust your gun in the trenches if we got drafted.
the problem is people are absent of reason.
as why they are listening to that weak ass shyt.

you are free to not know.
yet, ignorance is not an excuse.





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to build on this. I just noticed RT has fallen to 69% now? A month ago it was acclaimed at the highest of levels and now suddenly the review people ain’t feeling it?

if you read the review recaps, they are tell the same story. they had there expectations set for this to be Godfather level or they go soft and feel they need to demean the movie because it’s the safe and ‘right’ side to be on with all the shyt in the media

If one of my boys or someone here didn’t like it cool, I wouldn’t try and argue with them, but to see the critic world suddenly flip on the movie is a joke to me

people are sheep


Well we can not compare it to the godfather cause the godfather is a move made with complete reason. This movie is made absent of reason. So it is nowhere near as good as godfather.

trying to say so means you are absent of reason.

plus in general.
if you are absent of full reason.
it is the first reason why i am the goat.
then you are who ever the fukk yo nobody ass is.




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I don't know how people can relate this to incels. If anything this is a wakeup call for mental illness issues more than anything. Honestly most of the people Arthur killed can be somewhat justified with the exception of the hospital kill, the talk show kill, and the very last kill.
I can see the connection with mental illness and incels. Its possible somebody could go watch this and feel inspired to do some bad shyt.

but i also think thats because of the media more than the movie. Had the media not let a bunch of pseudo intellectuals publish their think pieces on this, i dont think this movie would be as big a deal.

it went from a good movie examining mental illness to a scapegoat for a future sickos motivation to do bad stuff.

Tldr: critics gave incels an excuse to see themselves in the movie and commit crimes.


Also noticed there’s def been a change in reviews pre incel controversy compared to now.

These people scared to say they enjoyed the movie cuz they dont wanna be seen as supporting incel culture:dead:
 

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This.

I gave the whole marvel versus dc absence of reason rant.
On both companies before both sold out, way before corporate takeover.

in that I discuss in detail why dc and wb will always fail. Employing the ideal f reason being absent.
in this movie. It is so chockfull of reason. That it clearly misses tons of profitable content within l reason to tether to.
plus in absence of reason based fashion. Expects everyone in the audience to not recognize this filmhouse. Does nuffin but market us product lacking reason. Then reasonably expect us to ignore this lack of reason globally and centrally across time. When we are in a communication based age. where you can market any everything within perfect reason. Plus this age has shown products practically illustrate employing absolute reason actually work and are orofitable beyond any product that is absent of reason.

you will not ask me to read book for forty Plus years of my life. Then keep coming around telling me you have a copy the book on film that is not the book i read. Yet expect me to act as though i and the le world is narcissistically absent of reason.


fukk all that. That is why the world is still being contrilled by these racist pedophiles. Only a pedophile or racist co tinually asks yoi to commit to being absent of reason.






The misappropriated frame work of society is built.
In their purposefully misappropriated ideal of reason being absent.

it is like listening to the gay coward in the bunker.
on how to bust your gun in the trenches if we got drafted.
the problem is people are absent of reason.
as why they are listening to that weak ass shyt.

you are free to not know.
yet, ignorance is not an excuse.





art barr

Are you saying people can't disagree about whether something is good? Because that's a terrible take. Two people can agree somebody is a rapper, painter, or writer, but they most certainly can disagree about whether their artistry is good, great, or bad. If you disagree then you're saying the only opinion that matters on anything are those you agree with. I don't want to live in a world where everyone agrees with me.
 

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The Joker that goes to war with Batman can't be the same Joker as this one right? It has to be some guy who looked up to Arthur and decided to copy his style right:patrice:? Because Arthur is like 40 in this Bruce Wayne was like 10. And when Batman goes at it with Joker isn't he around 40 himself? Like 30 years later.Why would he be fighting a 70 year old Joker?
 
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