OFFICIAL Game of Thrones Season 7 Thread - Winds of Winter. Spoilers=BAN, Theories in [spoiler] tags

[Woodrow]

Nah, if Jon takes Sansa's way then he creates discord among the Northmen. The lower houses would be wasting time vying for his favor instead to training and gathering food and fortifying for the coming war. Lets say he places a family like the Cassels or the Pooles then THEIR ancestral enemies turn on Jon..or even new enemies pop up because they didn't get raised up.

By keeping the Umbers and Karstarks in place he earned GENERATIONS long loyalty. Alys Karstark and Ned Umber woulda been killed and their heads fed to Ghost if it was any other short sighted leader. But in stead he raises up two kids who KNOW they really should be dead and makes live long bannerment out of the....and he keeps the North looking like the North.

we're saying the same thing tho. i agree with you, jon's decision was the right call when it comes to the umbers and karstarks. but that doesnt mean sansa wasnt right too. jon needs to keep in mind that the right answer isnt always the smart answer. and no one on his current team is better equipped to help him in that area, while also genuinely keeping his best interests at heart, than sansa. even if he decides to disagree with her 90% of the time, he needs to be open-minded about what she has to say. she is far more experienced when it comes to how the current power-brokers rose to prominence, and all the behind-the-scenes fukkery that can turn a noble leader into a dead leader.

jon, to date, has been too much like ned in that area; he thinks the right answer is the only answer. that's why he got killed!

 

[WMG the 2nd]

we're saying the same thing tho. i agree with you, jon's decision was the right call when it comes to the umbers and karstarks. but that doesnt mean sansa wasnt right too. jon needs to keep in mind that the right answer isnt always the smart answer. and no one on his current team is better equipped to help him in that area, while also genuinely keeping his best interests at heart, than sansa. even if he decides to disagree with her 90% of the time, he needs to be open-minded about what she has to say. she is far more experienced when it comes to how the current power-brokers rose to prominence, and all the behind-the-scenes fukkery that can turn a noble leader into a dead leader.

jon, to date, has been too much like ned in that area; he thinks the right answer is the only answer. that's why he got killed!

Nah Ned got killed because people conspired against him even his own son (adopted son albeit)

Jon has a better eye for long term strategy then his father who was purely good

 

[Hov]

Nah Ned got killed because people conspired against him even his own son (adopted son albeit)

Jon has a better eye for long term strategy then his father who was purely good

This is all true...

But also true is that Jon Snow should be dead.

He did the right thing when he was in Nightwatch and got murdered by his own people.

He also did the right thing going after Ramsey and only got saved because Sansa made the decision to bring in the Vale, and still keeps Littlefinger around because of those knights.

So, there are many ways to look at this.

 

[Burger King]

great start to the season imo

 

[PewPew]

That was from the beginning of Season 4 so it ain't up to date. Some screen name changes since then, plus a bunch of new viewers

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[Woodrow]

Nah Ned got killed because people conspired against him even his own son (adopted son albeit)

Jon has a better eye for long term strategy then his father who was purely good

why did jon die? because people conspired against him, even the boy (ollie) he trained like his father trained him.

i get it. sansa comes off petulant, and worse, like her opinion shouldn't matter. but you're not paying attention to the game if you dont think there's truth in what she's saying. jon doesnt have to heed everything she's saying. but he should at least listen. the same way ned should've listened when littlefinger and varys each tried to help him win, instead of doing the noble deed.

 

[R.E.N. Spells Ren]

Nah Ned got killed because people conspired against him even his own son (adopted son albeit)

Jon has a better eye for long term strategy then his father who was purely good

When did Ned's son conspire against him?

Ned got killed cuz he was trying to spare the lives of Cersei's b*stard children. He thought he was being merciful by letting Cersei flee. He failed to respect her gangster. That was a dumb decision.

Jon's decision with the wildings wasn't dumb, it was the right decision. A tough decision, but the right one. If anything, his mistake was not sending Thorne to another castle as soon as he became Lord Commander.

 

[606onit]

how or where are y'all watching this?

On that STICK, nicca

 

[SchoolboyC]

Starting to think Tormund gets killed by one of those ice giants

 

[detroitwalt]

..but we may get to see Hot Pie!

Did you catch that they showed the Inn at the Crossroads during the opening credits? I thought he was showing up in the premiere.

 

[Soymuscle Mike]

Niccaz really pretending they didn't notice Ed Sheeran as if he wasn't singing and talking right into the camera like it was an MTV Unplugged Episode

 

[Silkk]

Niccaz really pretending they didn't notice Ed Sheeran as if he wasn't singing and talking right into the camera like it was an MTV Unplugged Episode

You act like people supposed to know who the fukk that is

 

[The Devil's Advocate]

But Khaleesi is integral to the story

Mormount is just "hey the audience will think it's funny seeing a 10 year old girl talk shyt"

Never accomplished anything

she answered the call


and each and every time the other houses have bucked at what jon said, she is the one who shut them the fukk down and rallied the troops.. she was the one who got the king of the north ideas popping when nikkas was talking about going home... and when dude bucked up like i'm not training my daughters, she shut that shyt down too

she's no khaleesi.. but she ain't just talking shyt neither

 

[dutchie]

Brehs criticising Jon for what makes him Jon. Being honorable and just is what makes him the chosen one.

Brehs actually praising Tywin while he been killed by his own son and his family is damn near extinct.

 

[Chris Cool]

you sansa set dudes

" bu, bu, but jon would be dead without her."

he would not have even been in that position if her dumbass told him she had the vale.

yaw nikkas tullyset, better not see yaw tryna claim Starks. better hope edmure escapes casterly rock as house lannister crumbles.