OFFICIAL Game of Holmes Season 8 Thread - A Dream of Flat Tops 4/14/19

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Anyone that hasn't read this needs to :wow: a young woman went into the fire with those eggs, and what came out amidst salt & smoke was a crazy bytch with dragons
Here is a good rebuttal to that post from the Reddit thread iit came from
You are confusing modern morals with medieval ones.

  1. The crucifixion of the Meereenese nobles serves a dual purpose: First, it shows the Masters that they're not masters anymore, their actions have consequences. And, second, it shows the former slaves that justice has been served. This quells any discontent they might have in regards to the masters' actions. This is not the act of an arbitrary ruler, but a calculating one. Remember what she asked Ser Barry? "How many children were crucified?"
2-6) It was obvious that the Sons of the Harpy were either staffed or promoted by the nobles of the 3 cities of Slaver's Bay. By that time period's standards, Daenerys made one very serious mistake in handling them: She didn't act decisively enough. And by that I mean, she should've taken a page out of another character's playbook, Tywin Fookin' Lannister.

What would Tywin Lannister do? Or rather, what did he actually do when faced with rebellion by his vassals? He obliterated 2 entire houses, not just the members of the Houses, but everybody living in their castle, peasants, soldiers, men, women and children with no thought of judgement. They weren't meant to be judged, you see, they were meant to be an example to avoid. And he never faced rebellion again, hell, even a whisper of rebellion could end with a single singer.

7) You do know that kings and queen are basing their claims ONLY on ancestry right? There is no other way to claim to be a king or a queen. And the 7 kingdoms have only ever pledged loyalty to kings with Targaryen ancestry. Cersei Lannister is the first to have 0 claim on the Iron Throne.

8) Typically, traitors get executed. Some times by beheading, others by being hanged, some times by burning or being eaten alive by hounds. Even in our society, traitors are not particularly well-liked. There was this one time when one traitor was infected with a radioactive material. So yeah, if anything she was again not decisive enough.

9) Her claim comes second in typical westerosi customs, BUT Aegon(Elia's son) was passed over by the previous Targaryen king (Aerys II), which would take every child after him out of the line of succession, making her THE heir to the Iron Throne, as the sister of the previous king. And she clearly knows more about Targaryen women whose claim was disputed by their in-family rivals(Dance of Dragons).
 

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I truly believe they talking out their ass. Them and hbo. Cause what I’m bout to post says it was long shooting and production costs. That would have been an HBO call. But then immediately flip it into, oh well we wanted 70 hours but we actually got more time with 73.

In other words. Clusterfukk having zero to do with storytelling or writing. But more time, money and wrapping this shyt up



Why is there only 6 episodes in Game of Thrones season 8?
The shorter season for Game of Thrones season eight is largely due to the higher production values and long episode lengths.

Co-creators David Benioff and DB Weiss confirmed back in 2016 that the seventh and eighth seasons would be shorter.

Season seven contained seven episodes but spanned a long period of time.

They confirmed to Variety in that they couldn’t continue to produce the usual 10 episodes in the 12 to 14-month timeframe.

“It’s crossing out of a television schedule into more of a mid-range movie schedule,” they told the publication.

Then in March 2017, Benioff and Weiss officially confirmed at a South by Southwest panel that the eighth season would consist of six episodes.

Entertainment Weekly reported: “From the beginning we’ve wanted to tell a 70-hour movie. It will turn out to be a 73-hour movie, but it’s stayed relatively the same of having the beginning, middle and now we’re coming to the end,” Benioff said.

“It would have been really tough if we lost any core cast members along the way, I’m very happy we’ve kept everyone and we get to finish it the way we want to.”

It would seem Weiss and Benioff are full of shyt because in an interview they did just last month they said HBO was willing to give them literally anything they wanted (time, money resources, etc.) to keep the show going:

https://ew.com/

"Yes. To their credit, they put their money where their mouths are — literally stuffed their mouth full of million-dollar bills which don’t exist anymore," Weiss said regarding previous comments that they had considered doing the final season as movies. "They said, 'We’ll give you the resources to make this what it needs to be, and if what it needs to be is a summer tentpole-size spectacle in places, then that’s what it will be.'"

"HBO would have been happy for the show to keep going, to have more episodes in the final season," Benioff said. "We always believed it was about 73 hours, and it will be roughly that. As much as they wanted more, they understood that this is where the story ends."

The idea that Game of Thrones -- at least the television show version -- simply concludes at the end of Season 8's six episodes is one that fans have come to accept, but it's one that franchise creator author George R.R. Martin himself questioned last fall.

"I don't know," Martin explained last year at the Emmys. "Ask David [Benioff] and Dan [Weiss] when they come through. We could have gone to 11, 12, 13 seasons, but I guess they wanted a life.”

Given how this is turning out I'm inclined to believe they (Weiss and Benioff) just wanted to be done with the show.

Fred.
 

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:russ: @ Varys thinking Jon would have a problem marryin his aunt.

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Oh and not to beat a dead horse but all the people talking about "GRR Martin gave them the ending, this is what he wants!" need to read this, from the same interview:

How much of this season is from discussing the ending with George R.R. Martin?

BENIOFF: [The concern] used to be that the books would spoil the show for people — and luckily it did not, for the most part. Now that the show is ahead of the books, it seems the show could ruin the books for people. So one thing we’ve talked to George about is that we’re not going to tell people what the differences are, so when those books come out people can experience them fresh.

WEISS:
It’s kind of nice for him because — obviously through necessity we’ve pulled out ahead — the show has become so different [in recent seasons] that people will have no way knowing from watching what will or won’t appear in the books. And honestly, neither do we.

BENIOFF:
We don’t. And George discovers a lot of stuff while he’s writing. I don’t think that final book is written in stone yet — it’s not written on paper yet. As George says, he’s a gardener and he’s waiting to see how those seeds blossom.

Which is exactly what I said....the show isn't going to 100% end how his books end. They aren't even sure what will appear in the last two books, if they're ever written. He gave them a rough outline and they're interpreting it as they see fit.

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HBO really shytted on themselves. Both previous seasons should have been the full 10 episodes. Would have cleared up 99% of these complaints if they had more time to flesh shyt out

They always force that speed up shyt on the last seasons of their shows. Sopranos, the wire, oz, etc

Never fails

Never fails.
It must be some reason for this us mortals just arent seeing(maybe they want to do the spinoffs real quick)
HBO rushes the final season of its hit shows and Showtime has the opposite problem, they just drag out hit shows for waaaaaay too long(Dexter, Shameless,Weeds,etc).
Like clockwork these 2 networks guilty of these 2 sins.
 

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Here is a good rebuttal to that post from the Reddit thread iit came from
You are confusing modern morals with medieval ones.

  1. The crucifixion of the Meereenese nobles serves a dual purpose: First, it shows the Masters that they're not masters anymore, their actions have consequences. And, second, it shows the former slaves that justice has been served. This quells any discontent they might have in regards to the masters' actions. This is not the act of an arbitrary ruler, but a calculating one. Remember what she asked Ser Barry? "How many children were crucified?"
2-6) It was obvious that the Sons of the Harpy were either staffed or promoted by the nobles of the 3 cities of Slaver's Bay. By that time period's standards, Daenerys made one very serious mistake in handling them: She didn't act decisively enough. And by that I mean, she should've taken a page out of another character's playbook, Tywin Fookin' Lannister.

What would Tywin Lannister do? Or rather, what did he actually do when faced with rebellion by his vassals? He obliterated 2 entire houses, not just the members of the Houses, but everybody living in their castle, peasants, soldiers, men, women and children with no thought of judgement. They weren't meant to be judged, you see, they were meant to be an example to avoid. And he never faced rebellion again, hell, even a whisper of rebellion could end with a single singer.

7) You do know that kings and queen are basing their claims ONLY on ancestry right? There is no other way to claim to be a king or a queen. And the 7 kingdoms have only ever pledged loyalty to kings with Targaryen ancestry. Cersei Lannister is the first to have 0 claim on the Iron Throne.

8) Typically, traitors get executed. Some times by beheading, others by being hanged, some times by burning or being eaten alive by hounds. Even in our society, traitors are not particularly well-liked. There was this one time when one traitor was infected with a radioactive material. So yeah, if anything she was again not decisive enough.

9) Her claim comes second in typical westerosi customs, BUT Aegon(Elia's son) was passed over by the previous Targaryen king (Aerys II), which would take every child after him out of the line of succession, making her THE heir to the Iron Throne, as the sister of the previous king. And she clearly knows more about Targaryen women whose claim was disputed by their in-family rivals(Dance of Dragons).


I was just about to post this

Everyone knows this Dany Mad Queen storyline is MAD forced, especially in the span of 1 episode

This is why this episode is the lowest rated in the show's history .
 

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Same with the wights and the Direwolves.
Just because the writers stopped caring about these things we're also? Nah you spent seasons building up winter and the dead and the wolves, don't blame me for having gotten invested.

And yeah they bushed the wolves after season 3 already, but these last Ghost scenes are just disgraceful.

It wasn't US who decided to take a 2 year break and then come back thinking we don't need to see final resolution between Jon and his (no longer) siblings. Let's see Bron show up carrying a giant crossbow instead. Jon and Ghost? Nah let's have Jon hug Gilly instead who he talked to onscreen MAYBE once.

Plus all their promotional and marketing material was centered on the Night King. :heh:

I'm growing angrier by the day. I'm running the fade with either or both D&D on sight.
 

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shyt IS STUPID...

CERSEI HAS WIPED OUT WHOLE HOUSES...

SHE LET THE WHOLE WORLD KNOW
SHE fukkS HER BROTHER TOO
CONFIRMING HER KIDS WERE NEVER HEIRS
TO THE THRONE...

SO SOMEBODY EXPLAIN TO ME
WHY SHE IS SITTING ON THE THRONE
WITH NO RESISTANCE?

TYRION JUST SAID SHE HATES THE PPL
AND THE PPL HATE HER...

BUT IF DANY COMES THRU
AND RECKS SHOP
THERES GONNA BE PUSH BACK?

THE WRITING IS HORRIBLE.
:devil:
:evil:

Definitely. I am not opposed to the idea of Dany becoming a Mad Queen if it was being done well. But this just feels like D&D decided that is where the story for her ends and they are going to get there regardless of how poorly the journey is being crafted by them.
It's plot over story basically.
 

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They said that the people will rebel on Cersei soon enough but Dany would rather engage in war. Varys doesn’t want to end one reign of tyranny just to instill another tyrant on the throne, that’s why he’s supporting Jon after they dispose of Cersei.
Nothing has been shown on this show that would support a people's uprising against Cersei.
Absolutely nothing. She took over and it was like they fired all the King's Landing extras because we got no look into just how the citizens were reacting to this crazy murderous brother fukking lady taking over.
 
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