Got up to 7 wins in Trials last night, with Mercy active and proceeded to lose the next 2 matches
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AntoineWalkerShimmy
All Star
Got 4 legendary weapons yesterday 
One hand cannon, one pulse, one scout, one shotgun
One hand cannon, one pulse, one scout, one shotgun
I suck with the pulse and scout, only really fukk with the auto rifle and occasionally hand cannon (bounties) 
That new shotgun tho.
That new shotgun tho.
No it's not breh, once you get into Trials you'll see how dominant that gun is.
They need to lower the range on all Hand Cannon's, especially the Thorn. Whenever I pick it up, it feels like easy mode is activated.
Yea the thorn is unbalanced as fukk.
I don't even think Thorn is THAT OP. Just annoying as fukk when that's all you see. I usually beat it with Red Death.
Fury616
www.illdust.com
1) After the buff, Thorn is the best hand cannon in the game and possibly best weapon in the game...not even debatable. No other weapon in the game does what Thorn does. Only people that say it isn't OP are people that have it and don't want their "easy mode" gun nerfed.
Let's go down the list of what Thorn is:
- Long range contact
- High fire rate
- High reload rate
- Poison effect
- Victim can't regenerate shield
- Annoying ass green screen effect and noise for the victim
- Thorn user can follow and track victim trying to evade
- Two hit kills regardless of range: 100%
2) Blade Dancer lasts too long and thats my only complaint about it. They can easily take 2-3 seconds off the duration.
3) It's easy as hell to kill dudes inside the Titan bubble. I've done it many times myself. Besides using a super just grab a shotty and grenades = death for dudes inside. Not being able to shoot it should be the point. Every single super can destroy it in seconds, besides Golden Gun, and thats bullshyt.
4) Just back up and shoot from Fist of Havoc? lol ok If you shot a Titan and stopped them from doing it in midair, that was pure luck breh and they didn't have the harder to kill Fist of havoc perk on.
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Just got my 3rd GHorn out of this Nightfall
rogue_riezo
Les Enfants Terribles
Attempting to dolo this Nightfall now. Can't sprint past the 1st two Shriekers like I do usually.
we just gonna disagree on this....cause the trials doesnt show how dominant it is because your level matters more than the gun you use in there.....and i ran trials the first week, so i saw it in use there and i see it in use in the crucible all the time...i just think it's overrated cause it's not an op, instant winner gun people hype it up to be.....it's just easy to use.....it's the same shyt that went on with autos...people swore they were op and instant winner, but they werent....but cause people cried about them, they got nerfed to not being fun to use anymore...i fear the same shyt is gonna happen to hand cannons, and whatever the next gun that people flock to after that....
1. no it's not...the last word and hawkmoon are better hand cannons....and the fatebringer and red hand are right on par with it....and other weapons that are better off the top of my head: red death and vex....i dont use the gun and i dont think it's op....it's just the hot gun of the moment....
2. naw, cause the duration depends on which perks you select....and if they they lessen it overall, it becomes weak, which supers arent supposed to be....
3. yea, you just ran up on the right bubbles...run up on a bubble when the titan using st 14 helm, you're dead...run up on a dome when armor is on, you're dead....as for it being killed by supers: what's the problem, supers kill everything, so does that mean everything is weak? nope....like i said: besides warlock supers, it's the hardest super to deal with....
4. lol at it being luck stopping one, if you say so...and yep, that's all you got to do....unless they have the perk on that makes the wave go along the ground, the titan has to get close to kill you with the havoc....if you see one running at you and you back peddle out of the range, they will miss with the super and you can kill them....i've done it and seen it done plenty of times....now i will admit, you have to be careful when doing it this way cause once they start the animation for the super, your timing has to be right or you're die...
Auto Rifles were OP, and they rendered Pulse Rifles and Scouts useless because people could out gun you with a AR from a cross the map.
The fix is simple, nerf the range on Hand Cannons and we good. I shouldn't be at a disadvantage at long range against a Thorn when I have a Scout or a Sniper. You can 2 shot somebody with that Thorn from distance like you would have to do with a sniper if you miss the headshot.
exactly....i dont think it's op at all, it's just annoying when it seems that's all people wanna use...what's funny is the gun was just as good before when it had the slower fire rate and smaller clip, but people werent praising it cause it wasnt as easy to use....
autos werent op, they were just easy to use...i used to outgun them all the time with the very weapon you said they made useless: scout rifles...also beat them with certain handcannons and pulse rifles...i was on here saying the shyt all the time when people were screaming auto this, auto that....the same shyt is happening with the thorn...it's easy to use cause of the poison, larger clip, and higher fire rate, but it can be outgunned just like any other weapon....
that's another reason i disagree with nerfs: whole classes tend to get fukked up cause of 1 particular weapon getting abused, just like you suggested...you talking about nerfing the whole class of hand cannons cause people abuse 1 particular gun...a gun that is supposed to be better than others cause it's an exotic....which isnt right nor fair...if they wanna make a change, make it to just the thorn alone....the same shyt happened to autos cause of the suros...
...even if they did nerf the thorn, all that's gonna happen is people will flock to another gun, that will get abused/used to death, and people will start screaming for that to be 'balanced'...eventually, all the guns will perform the same for the most part, making the game boring, and the ones that complained will stop playing, leaving the others with a fukked up, non fun game...
side note: i'm down to run trials with you this weekend...last week was just a banner grind to get light...
Fury616
www.illdust.com
You lose all credibility with this. The perks of those hand cannons are not better than everything Thorn does that I listed. You sound foolish saying it can be outgunned like every other weapon.
Red Death is not better than Thorn. It only counters the poison with healing. THats it. It is the only gun that can counter Thorn. One gun, thats it. LOL at defending this.
Not to mention if there are only 3-4 other weapons that are "better" than Thorn, then the PvP is completely broken. They need to buff a shytload of other guns instead of having 4-5 guns completely dominating Crucible/IB/ToO like it currently is.
Thorn(and pulse rifles) are good counters to snipers. If you want to camp out and snipe nikkas then you best not miss. so i dont think it should be nerfed.
best two hand cannons I've used are fatebringer(better for Control) and thorn.