Official "Dark Side Of The Ring" Discussion Thread

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WWE doesn't want big stars anymore. After The Rock left for Hollywood they made sure of that. John Cena is likely the last big name star you'll see. The WWE brand itself is the star now.

As for Steve Williams, that dude was never going to be a star in the Attitude Era, I don't care how popular he was in Japan. Why would fans care about him over Stone Cold, The Rock, Undertaker, and others? What set him apart from the rest? You can be booked as a star but that doesn't mean the fans are going to accept you as one. Just look at Roman Reigns.

He was never supposed to be a long term star. They just wanted one good heel run out of him against the top guys. And there was no one there with his look and personality and the main thing he was actually real. They didn't even need to give him any kind of gimmick or story line. Just smash him over as a legit badass that comes out and drops guys on their neck. 90% of it would've been JR putting him over like crazy

 

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Doc's finisher was dropping guys on their neck, so that's a ready made angle with Austin right there

 

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He was never supposed to be a long term star. They just wanted one good heel run out of him against the top guys. And there was no one there with his look and personality and the main thing he was actually real. They didn't even need to give him any kind of gimmick or story line. Just smash him over as a legit badass that comes out and drops guys on their neck. 90% of it would've been JR putting him over like crazy

Doc's finisher was dropping guys on their neck, so that's a ready made angle with Austin right there

He was never going to be a star here period. You're outta your mind if you think guys are letting Dr Death do that shyt he did in NJPW to them. Vader was already brought up in here and it didn't work with him. Why would it work with Dr Death? They could have given Dr Death a push before the Brawl For All but they didn't.

 

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He was never going to be a star here period. You're outta your mind if you think guys are letting Dr Death do that shyt he did in NJPW to them. Vader was already brought up in here and it didn't work with him. Why would it work with Dr Death? They could have given Dr Death a push before the Brawl For All but they didn't.

If they couldn't at least get a good heel run out of him then that's just complete ineptitude. And that's what would have made such a good story line lol, ppl knowing that if Austin got hit with that shyt it could legit break his neck. You don't have to actually let him hit the move and go over Austin, duh. And they signed him right before the brawl for all iirc.

Lmao Vince tried to change Vader's name to Mastodon, he had no idea about anything Vader had done previously to the WWF. That's why it didn't work with Vader. That's a perfect example of Vince and the WWE not knowing what to do with guys.

 

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DR Death didnt give a fukk about a JIm ross

 

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If they couldn't at least get a good heel run out of him then that's just complete ineptitude. And that's what would have made such a good story line lol, ppl knowing that if Austin got hit with that shyt it could legit break his neck. You don't have to actually let him hit the move and go over Austin, duh. And they signed him right before the brawl for all iirc.

Lmao Vince tried to change Vader's name to Mastodon, he had no idea about anything Vader had done previously to the WWF. That's why it didn't work with Vader. That's a perfect example of Vince and the WWE not knowing what to do with guys.

They still could have pushed him without putting him in the Brawl For All. If the fans aren't fukking with it then it doesn't matter how hard you push someone. Like I said, just look at Roman Reigns.

I'm not talking about Vader's booking. I'm talking about his working style. Guys didn't wanna deal with that. Everyone knows WWE's booking is overall trash, no need to keep bringing it up. Even when they book something right, it doesn't last and they find ways to screw that up.

 

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bytchass Shawn Michaels being the champ is another reason Vader didn't get over, he didn't want to get hit by Vader or put him over. Vader should squash Michaels, it makes 0 logical sense for Michaels to beat guys like that back then that's why he didn't draw and started getting boo'd as a baby face. It kills your image as a big, scary big man when you lose to someone Michael's size. WWF totally fukked that up

 

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They still could have pushed him without putting him in the Brawl For All. If the fans aren't fukking with it then it doesn't matter how hard you push someone. Like I said, just look at Roman Reigns.

I'm not talking about Vader's booking. I'm talking about his working style. Guys didn't wanna deal with that. Everyone knows WWE's booking is overall trash, no need to keep bringing it up. Even when they book something right, it doesn't last and they find ways to screw that up.

Lol you answered your own question, the WWE booking was trash. That's why I keep bringing it up because it's the answer to most of your points. You can't expect someone like Vince Russo or McMahon to know what to do with him. You keep bringing up the fans like you have any idea how they would've responded to him getting a push. The only thing we have to go by there is him getting over every where he went before that.. And Roman Reigns is a completely different situation, there are also a lot of guys who didn't deserve to get over but did because of their push so yea moot point.

Shawn Michaels bytch ass didn't want to deal with Vader's working style. The WWF making Shawn champ and Vince appeasing him for so long was one of the worst things they ever did business wise. Vader should have squashed Shawn that's the only believable way to go about a match between those 2.

 

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Vince and WWE just wanted to bury Vader from the beginning by the way they booked him. Asking him to job to a guy 1/3 his size is an instant image killer he had no chance to get over after that

That's another thing they like to do if a guy is a star elsewhere, bury the fukk out of him when he gets to the WWE

 

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Lol you answered your own question, the WWE booking was trash. That's why I keep bringing it up because it's the answer to most of your points. You can't expect someone like Vince Russo or McMahon to know what to do with him. You keep bringing up the fans like you have any idea how they would've responded to him getting a push. The only thing we have to go by there is him getting over every where he went before that.. And Roman Reigns is a completely different situation, there are also a lot of guys who didn't deserve to get over but did because of their push so yea moot point.

Shawn Michaels bytch ass didn't want to deal with Vader's working style. The WWF making Shawn champ and Vince appeasing him for so long was one of the worst things they ever did business wise. Vader should have squashed Shawn that's the only believable way to go about a match between those 2.

WWE fans in the late 90s don't give a shyt what Dr Death did in Japan. That's just how it is. The fans matter because that's who the show is supposed to be for. WWE can strongly book anyone they want at any time. Look at Jinder Mahal and Drew McIntyre.

If it weren't Shawn Michaels, it would have been someone else in his place with the same mindset. Those guys weren't going to constantly deal with his working style. I don't wanna hear about the builds of guys either. There's a suspension of disbelief in wrestling.

 

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WWE fans in the late 90s don't give a shyt what Dr Death did in Japan. That's just how it is. The fans matter because that's who the show is supposed to be for. WWE can strongly book anyone they want at any time. Look at Jinder Mahal and Drew McIntyre.

If it weren't Shawn Michaels, it would have been someone else in his place with the same mindset. Those guys weren't going to constantly deal with his working style. I don't wanna hear about the builds of guys either. There's a suspension of disbelief in wrestling.

How many WWF fans in the late 90s did you know? He was never allowed to have a real career in the WWF so you have no idea how fans would have responded lol so stop with that. Even if no one knew who he was he still had all the tools to get over easily. He's a legend in Japan and to a lot of old NWA fans for a reason.. Not sure what point you're trying to make with Mahal/McIntyre? If Vader or Doc either got a push like them where they smashed everyone they would have been over as well.

No one was ever as bad as Michaels in that position lol. And you can suspend the belief if the guys are relatively close in size but Michaels had no business beating all those guys that were double his size. Speaking of the fans, why do you think Michaels started getting boo'd out of the building as a baby face against guys like Sid?

 

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How many WWF fans in the late 90s did you know? He was never allowed to have a real career in the WWF so you have no idea how fans would have responded lol so stop with that. Even if no one knew who he was he still had all the tools to get over easily. He's a legend in Japan and to a lot of old NWA fans for a reason.. Not sure what point you're trying to make with Mahal/McIntyre? If Vader or Doc either got a push like them where they smashed everyone they would have been over as well.

No one was ever as bad as Michaels in that position lol. And you can suspend the belief if the guys are relatively close in size but Michaels had no business beating all those guys that were double his size. Speaking of the fans, why do you think Michaels started getting boo'd out of the building as a baby face against guys like Sid?

You're doing the same shyt on the other end of the argument with trying to say he'd be a star. It's all a what if debate. We're not going to agree on anything or change each other's opinion. Agree to disagree.

 

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Cornette spitting in Ferrara's face and that bytch Ferrara crying and not doing anything is my favorite thing ever. fukk that waste of life

My favorite is Cornette calling Dunn Bucky Beaver to his face and Dunn running to Vince

 

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They Put These On YT?

Watching it right now

 

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They did Bart so wrong. The only real loser was Bart and that's because he won. They were overly optimistic regarding Dr. Death. Given the time and what was to come he would not have fit, and he already peaked. The Godfather still had his gimmick, and JBL and Holly still got have a tough guy gimmick. They could have repackaged him like everyone else around that time.