Concerning VIolence
Decolonizer
Great news
Next up, BP DLC pack (Wakanda level + alternate BP costume + Killmonger, Shuri, M'Baku, and a Dora Milaje).
Do it, capcom!
fukk that, I want an entire GAME.
Official Black Panther MCU Thread
- Thread starter Birnin Zana
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fukk that, I want an entire GAME.
Birnin Zana
Honorary Wakandan
His numbers did plummet:
Black Panther #1 - 253,259 (like I said this was HEAVILY promoted, excitement was high for the book)
Black Panther #2 - 77,654 (a big drop after the first issue was expected, nothing to worry about......yet)
Black Panther #3 - 75,037
Black Panther #4 - 72,302
Black Panther #5 - 83,756 (oh shyt, a sales bump, this might be good news)
Black Panther #6 - 58,746 (......guess they didn't care for it)
Black Panther #7 - 60,857
Black Panther #8 - 43,451
Black Panther #9 - 39,123
Black Panther #10 - 38,741
Black Panther #11 - 35,492
Black Panther #12 - 37,612 (The finale of Coates "epic" story......maybe this will keep readers around and bring others back...)
Black Panther #13 - 30,509 (welp, guess not)
And for the record I didn't say no one was feeling his run, I said while some people like it a LOT of people aren't feeling it, which is why he's been hemorrhaging readers. His book lost over 20k readers from issue 5 to 6 and lost over 10k from issues 7 to 8. How the fukk is that not a plummet?
The main BP book has been in the top 15 in digital sales throughout the entirety of the Coates run, with most of season 1 being in the top 10.
BP WoW and BP Crew got cancelled in large part because both books flopped in sales in the floppy and digital category. BP Crew's digital sales, in particular, were pitiful, especially for a #1.
Barring the main BP book flopping on both ends, I don't see it being canceled. And with the movie coming soon and the buzz that comes with it, there's a good possibility that the main book will get a sales boost, ensuring it's survival.
Concerning VIolence
Decolonizer
Great news
Next up, BP DLC pack (Wakanda level + alternate BP costume + Killmonger, Shuri, M'Baku, and a Dora Milaje).
Do it, capcom!
fukk that, I want an entire GAME.
Mic-Nificent
I didn't eat nobody
So now you're moving the goalposts
You claimed his sales numbers weren't plummeting (which they are), and now all of a sudden "the drops are natural". A fluctuation of a few thousand here and there is natural, Coates was losing 10k and 20k readers from month to month.
And my point was never that his book was selling poorly, just that his sales were falling because people who gave the book a shot didn't like it and ended up dropping it.
My original point was about synergy between the film and the comic. If new readers show up looking for something close to the MCU version of T'Challa they're not gonna stick around after reading Coates version (which already happened with the first "season"). The book isn't selling so well that Coates can't be replaced with a writer that'll do a more comic book accurate version of the character.
Like I said before Priest and Hudlin never got the promotion that Coates has gotten. Coates firstr issue had 7 or 8 variant covers, was included in lootcrate deals, and talked about on multiple media platforms before the first issue shipped. Hudlin got a few variant covers for the the first six issue, a house of M tie in, and an X-men crossover. Priest's book was just thrown out there with virtually no promotion at all.
And just to be clear I'm not a blind Coates hater, I've defended dude in this thread a few times and I've said he's gotten better with the last 2 issues, those first 12 were trash though.
Mic-Nificent
I didn't eat nobody
So now you're moving the goalposts
You claimed his sales numbers weren't plummeting (which they are), and now all of a sudden "the drops are natural". A fluctuation of a few thousand here and there is natural, Coates was losing 10k and 20k readers from month to month.
And my point was never that his book was selling poorly, just that his sales were falling because people who gave the book a shot didn't like it and ended up dropping it.
My original point was about synergy between the film and the comic. If new readers show up looking for something close to the MCU version of T'Challa they're not gonna stick around after reading Coates version (which already happened with the first "season"). The book isn't selling so well that Coates can't be replaced with a writer that'll do a more comic book accurate version of the character.
Like I said before Priest and Hudlin never got the promotion that Coates has gotten. Coates firstr issue had 7 or 8 variant covers, was included in lootcrate deals, and talked about on multiple media platforms before the first issue shipped. Hudlin got a few variant covers for the the first six issue, a house of M tie in, and an X-men crossover. Priest's book was just thrown out there with virtually no promotion at all.
And just to be clear I'm not a blind Coates hater, I've defended dude in this thread a few times and I've said he's gotten better with the last 2 issues, those first 12 were trash though.
Birnin Zana
Honorary Wakandan
fukk that, I want an entire GAME.
BP DLC pack for MvCI.
+
Black Panther video game upon movie's release.
Must happen.
Birnin Zana
Honorary Wakandan
He's DLC
Mic-Nificent
I didn't eat nobody
I don't wan't a Black Panther solo game.....Marvel video games generally suck unless it's something by Capcom or a Lego game.
Birnin Zana
Honorary Wakandan
A BP game by Telltales would be dope, imho.
This can work.
Concerning VIolence
Decolonizer
So now you're moving the goalposts
You claimed his sales numbers weren't plummeting (which they are), and now all of a sudden "the drops are natural". A fluctuation of a few thousand here and there is natural, Coates was losing 10k and 20k readers from month to month.
And my point was never that his book was selling poorly, just that his sales were falling because people who gave the book a shot didn't like it and ended up dropping it.
My original point was about synergy between the film and the comic. If new readers show up looking for something close to the MCU version of T'Challa they're not gonna stick around after reading Coates version (which already happened with the first "season"). The book isn't selling so well that Coates can't be replaced with a writer that'll do a more comic book accurate version of the character.
Like I said before Priest and Hudlin never got the promotion that Coates has gotten. Coates firstr issue had 7 or 8 variant covers, was included in lootcrate deals, and talked about on multiple media platforms before the first issue shipped. Hudlin got a few variant covers for the the first six issue, a house of M tie in, and an X-men crossover. Priest's book was just thrown out there with virtually no promotion at all.
And just to be clear I'm not a blind Coates hater, I've defended dude in this thread a few times and I've said he's gotten better with the last 2 issues, those first 12 were trash though.
A plummet to me is reaching the danger zone (aka in chance of being cancelled). Call it changing the goalposts if you want.
Irreelvant.
Coates won the MacArthur, his name is promo by itself. That's actually why BP #1 sold so much in the first place and why Marvel hired him. That and there being the annoucement of a BP movie.
Concerning VIolence
Decolonizer
http://www.theroot.com/marvel-comics-cancels-black-panther-spin-off-about-blac-1796017904
Marvel Comics Cancels Black Panther Spinoff About Black Women 48 Hours After New Trailer Drops
Jason Johnson
Yesterday 10:51amFiled to: CULTURE
62
If you’re like me, you’re still recovering from the life-altering, summer-changing amazingness that was the Black Panther movie trailer that debuted during Game 4 of the NBA Finals on Friday. The music, the action and the cast of actors look amazing. The costuming alone is about to change the game. Black women are going to dominate cosplay and Halloween. Appropriators of black culture are working overtime as we get closer to this movie. (Watch out for Khloé Kardashian’s new “Woke-Kanda” line from Nordstrom’s—you know she’ll try it! )
Amid that excitement, oh so quietly, it was announced Sunday night that World of Wakanda, the Black Panther spinoff comic that focuses on the Dora Milaje (all those amazingly dressed, capoeira-fighting black women in the trailer), was canceled. Many people will feel like this is a gut punch.
Marvel’s cancellation of a Black Panther comic book right after the movie trailer breaks the internet, and just a few weeks after it canceled another Black Panther spinoff, smells like a C-O-N-SPIRACY. I’m here to tell you that comic books are a complicated business; there are levels to this. If we’re serious about supporting black art, we’ve got to show our love in dollars and not just tweets.
I’m one of those legitimate comic book fans. I go to conventions, I have thousands of comics in my house, I have the first Black Panther comic from 1966, and I even interviewed Ta-Nehisi Coates for The Root last year, right before he starting writing the new series. So I also know a lot about the business side of comics and how that differs from what we see on the big and small screens, which is what most people consume. Comics get canceled all the time, and it’s usually just because of poor sales. Look at the World of Wakanda sales over the last six months:
Black Panther: World of Wakanda
11/16 BP World of Wakanda No. 1: 57,073
12/16 BP World of Wakanda No. 2: 45,009 (-21.1 percent)
01/17 BP World of Wakanda No. 3: 25,248 (-43.9 percent)
02/17 BP World of Wakanda No. 4: 17,454 (-30.8 percent)
03/17 BP World of Wakanda No. 5: 15,847 (-9.2 percent)
04/17 BP World of Wakanda No. 6: 14,547 (-8.2 percent)
In the current comic book market, a book is doing well when sales are hovering around 30,000 a month, and World of Wakanda hadn’t been anywhere near that number since the second issue. Some will argue that WoW wasn’t given enough time to gain an audience, given the kind of niche storylines the comic focused on.
There’s some merit to this. The comic was centered on adventures in and around Wakanda, the fictional African nation ruled by T’Challa, the Black Panther. As a spinoff, the main characters were rebellious members of the Dora Milaje (Wakanda’s elite guard, all those ass-kicking women in the movie trailer), Aneeka and Ayo, who decided to start a revolution against the oppression of women and the monarch system in Wakanda. Aneeka and Ayo also happened to be very open, very out lesbians, something that was OK in the comic, but that Marvel steadfastly tried to deny in its movie depictions.
Maybe those factors had something to do with the comic’s inability to catch on with a wider array of fans, but the truth is, the book sales were cratering faster than Donald Trump’s approval numbers. Some of the people upset now should have been out there buying the book before. A better example of a strange black comic cancellation was Black Panther and the Crew, which was canceled in May.
Black Panther and the Crew, written by Ta-Nehisi Coates and Yona Harvey, was canceled after one issue because of “poor sales,” according to an interview with Coates himself. That seemed awfully premature, given that the comic debuted over the 35,000 threshold and featured characters prominent in comics, movies and on Netflix.
A comic featuring a superhero team of Storm, Black Panther, Luke Cage and Misty Knight doesn’t deserve more than six months to finish out its first story? Maybe Crew was a little too Black Lives Matter for the publisher? Maybe Marvel projected that the subsequent issues would fall off with a debut hitting only 35,000? Maybe there just wasn’t an investment in the book. Which brings us to the main title, Black Panther, from which all of these canceled books were spun off.
Black Panther is just now hovering on the 30,000 line of death, but there is absolutely no chance that book is going to get canceled before February 2018, when we’re all trading in Beyoncé and National Museum of African American History and Culture tickets to stand in line beyond Barack and Michelle to see Black Panther on opening night. Why? Marvel Comics as a staff label and an organization has a vested interest in maintaining the core Black Panther book as a baseline of support for the movie.
However, in the world of comics, books like Black Panther get canceled all the time. Yes, T’Challa has a 51-year history in comics and an upcoming movie, but other books have that same résumé, such as The Flash, Thor and Green Lantern, and have been canceled dozens of times over the years.
The relationship between comic book movies and comics is a lot like the music industry and radio. People listen to radio or streaming services for free, love a song, but don’t pay to download it. People can cheer for Ryan Coogler putting together an amazing Black Panther movie but don’t buy the comics, and are shocked when they get canceled.
The easiest solution to the disappointment of World of Wakanda is to simply buy the comic! Buy it for yourself, your cousin or a godchild who needs a new hobby. I bought the main Black Panther comic even though it took Coates a few months to adjust to modern comic-writing. Now I love the book. I bought World of Wakanda, even though it wasn’t my cup of tea, because I wanted to support black art. I bought Black Panther and the Crew because I really liked the storyline.
If every black person who watched the Black Panther trailer online or who downloaded “Legend Has It” by Run the Jewels after that trailer (still listening to it in my car) bought a Black Panther comic this week, there’d probably be another spinoff launched by this summer.
Wakanda will be there for us next February. Now it’s up to us to spend the next eight months making sure we all put down our monthly comic deposits to earn our passports.
Marvel Comics Cancels Black Panther Spinoff About Black Women 48 Hours After New Trailer Drops
Jason Johnson
Yesterday 10:51amFiled to: CULTURE
62
If you’re like me, you’re still recovering from the life-altering, summer-changing amazingness that was the Black Panther movie trailer that debuted during Game 4 of the NBA Finals on Friday. The music, the action and the cast of actors look amazing. The costuming alone is about to change the game. Black women are going to dominate cosplay and Halloween. Appropriators of black culture are working overtime as we get closer to this movie. (Watch out for Khloé Kardashian’s new “Woke-Kanda” line from Nordstrom’s—you know she’ll try it! )
Amid that excitement, oh so quietly, it was announced Sunday night that World of Wakanda, the Black Panther spinoff comic that focuses on the Dora Milaje (all those amazingly dressed, capoeira-fighting black women in the trailer), was canceled. Many people will feel like this is a gut punch.
Marvel’s cancellation of a Black Panther comic book right after the movie trailer breaks the internet, and just a few weeks after it canceled another Black Panther spinoff, smells like a C-O-N-SPIRACY. I’m here to tell you that comic books are a complicated business; there are levels to this. If we’re serious about supporting black art, we’ve got to show our love in dollars and not just tweets.
I’m one of those legitimate comic book fans. I go to conventions, I have thousands of comics in my house, I have the first Black Panther comic from 1966, and I even interviewed Ta-Nehisi Coates for The Root last year, right before he starting writing the new series. So I also know a lot about the business side of comics and how that differs from what we see on the big and small screens, which is what most people consume. Comics get canceled all the time, and it’s usually just because of poor sales. Look at the World of Wakanda sales over the last six months:
Black Panther: World of Wakanda
11/16 BP World of Wakanda No. 1: 57,073
12/16 BP World of Wakanda No. 2: 45,009 (-21.1 percent)
01/17 BP World of Wakanda No. 3: 25,248 (-43.9 percent)
02/17 BP World of Wakanda No. 4: 17,454 (-30.8 percent)
03/17 BP World of Wakanda No. 5: 15,847 (-9.2 percent)
04/17 BP World of Wakanda No. 6: 14,547 (-8.2 percent)
In the current comic book market, a book is doing well when sales are hovering around 30,000 a month, and World of Wakanda hadn’t been anywhere near that number since the second issue. Some will argue that WoW wasn’t given enough time to gain an audience, given the kind of niche storylines the comic focused on.
There’s some merit to this. The comic was centered on adventures in and around Wakanda, the fictional African nation ruled by T’Challa, the Black Panther. As a spinoff, the main characters were rebellious members of the Dora Milaje (Wakanda’s elite guard, all those ass-kicking women in the movie trailer), Aneeka and Ayo, who decided to start a revolution against the oppression of women and the monarch system in Wakanda. Aneeka and Ayo also happened to be very open, very out lesbians, something that was OK in the comic, but that Marvel steadfastly tried to deny in its movie depictions.
Maybe those factors had something to do with the comic’s inability to catch on with a wider array of fans, but the truth is, the book sales were cratering faster than Donald Trump’s approval numbers. Some of the people upset now should have been out there buying the book before. A better example of a strange black comic cancellation was Black Panther and the Crew, which was canceled in May.
Black Panther and the Crew, written by Ta-Nehisi Coates and Yona Harvey, was canceled after one issue because of “poor sales,” according to an interview with Coates himself. That seemed awfully premature, given that the comic debuted over the 35,000 threshold and featured characters prominent in comics, movies and on Netflix.
A comic featuring a superhero team of Storm, Black Panther, Luke Cage and Misty Knight doesn’t deserve more than six months to finish out its first story? Maybe Crew was a little too Black Lives Matter for the publisher? Maybe Marvel projected that the subsequent issues would fall off with a debut hitting only 35,000? Maybe there just wasn’t an investment in the book. Which brings us to the main title, Black Panther, from which all of these canceled books were spun off.
Black Panther is just now hovering on the 30,000 line of death, but there is absolutely no chance that book is going to get canceled before February 2018, when we’re all trading in Beyoncé and National Museum of African American History and Culture tickets to stand in line beyond Barack and Michelle to see Black Panther on opening night. Why? Marvel Comics as a staff label and an organization has a vested interest in maintaining the core Black Panther book as a baseline of support for the movie.
However, in the world of comics, books like Black Panther get canceled all the time. Yes, T’Challa has a 51-year history in comics and an upcoming movie, but other books have that same résumé, such as The Flash, Thor and Green Lantern, and have been canceled dozens of times over the years.
The relationship between comic book movies and comics is a lot like the music industry and radio. People listen to radio or streaming services for free, love a song, but don’t pay to download it. People can cheer for Ryan Coogler putting together an amazing Black Panther movie but don’t buy the comics, and are shocked when they get canceled.
The easiest solution to the disappointment of World of Wakanda is to simply buy the comic! Buy it for yourself, your cousin or a godchild who needs a new hobby. I bought the main Black Panther comic even though it took Coates a few months to adjust to modern comic-writing. Now I love the book. I bought World of Wakanda, even though it wasn’t my cup of tea, because I wanted to support black art. I bought Black Panther and the Crew because I really liked the storyline.
If every black person who watched the Black Panther trailer online or who downloaded “Legend Has It” by Run the Jewels after that trailer (still listening to it in my car) bought a Black Panther comic this week, there’d probably be another spinoff launched by this summer.
Wakanda will be there for us next February. Now it’s up to us to spend the next eight months making sure we all put down our monthly comic deposits to earn our passports.
MalikX
Superstar
I don't even know why Batman's there. He would get fukked up.
Saysumthinfunnymike
VOTE!!!
Chill on the box office predictions 
First of all, anyone who come in here and say "I watched the cam" should be negged on site
Second, this can't be a Young Thug situation where he get all this discussion around these boards and then nobody supports (just using him as an example)
Go support the movie.
At the very least we know it's gonna be "good".. potentially classic. Don't be a cheap fukk
First of all, anyone who come in here and say "I watched the cam" should be negged on site
Second, this can't be a Young Thug situation where he get all this discussion around these boards and then nobody supports (just using him as an example)
Go support the movie.
At the very least we know it's gonna be "good".. potentially classic. Don't be a cheap fukk
