Official Biden vs. Trump 2020 General Election Thread (Biden WINS 306 Electoral College Votes)

Who wins?

  • Joe Biden, Vice President of the USA (2009-2017)

    Votes: 440 81.6%
  • Donald Trump, President of the USA (2017-present)

    Votes: 99 18.4%

  • Total voters
    539
  • Poll closed .

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Ok I get it. It was just weird how when you guys talk about campaign spending, it's as if it implicitly means that this would definitely results in votes as of it was a sure thing. So I was confused and thought that the votes were bought somehow :lolbron:

Unfortunately it does. Trump might be the only candidate in the last 30-40 who was outspent and still won. I still don't know who these people are that are swayed by political ads, but I guess they exist.
 

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biden needs to forget about texas and georgia, and triple down on florida and arizona

combined with targeting MI/PA/WI should do it. throw NC in there too

Rope a dope strategy. Make trump spend big in states he should have in the bag by now. If you are defending Texas and Georgia, you are in deep shyt already.
 

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Rope a dope strategy. Make trump spend big in states he should have in the bag by now. If you are defending Texas and Georgia, you are in deep shyt already.

Yeah, but you don't want to neglect the mission critical states (MI, WI, PA, NC, AZ, NV, NC, etc.) in favor of trying to win long shot states.

If there's extra money to go around, fine, but otherwise you have choose your battles.
 

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Guys, can you help me understand the spending thing in US elections ? How is spending more equaling more votes ? What is being bought exactly ?


Bruh. I'm tryna figure that out too now that I'm running.

In my case, it's just awareness.

But after a certain point, people know you're running, so why continue to spend.

It's especially crazy when you think of how much the positions pay.

My County Mayor gets paid $250K a year but we've got 4 candidates who have all spent over $1M.

That shyt don't make sense.
 

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Yeah, but you don't want to neglect the mission critical states (MI, WI, PA, NC, AZ, NV, NC, etc.) in favor of trying to win long shot states.

If there's extra money to go around, fine, but otherwise you have choose your battles.
He's not though...

Follow @pluralvote on Twitter. They'll tell you everywhere Biden is spending money.
 

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That TLR thread about Joe Biden's recent ad is just so fu*king stupid :snoop:.


Good thing, TLR isn't real life, those dummies would let Trump get re-elected easily just to spite Biden & the Democrats :snoop:.


Doing all of that sh!t talking yet 99.9% of them don't vote and have no idea how politics works:snoop:.
 

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That TLR thread about Joe Biden's recent ad is just so fu*king stupid :snoop:.


Good thing, TLR isn't real life, those dummies would let Trump get re-elected easily just to spite Biden & the Democrats :snoop:.


Doing all of that sh!t talking yet 99.9% of them don't vote and have no idea how politics works:snoop:.

We don't acknowledge TLR in here breh :hubie:. Stick to HL, Coliseum and
















JBO :mjlit:
 

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Bruh. I'm tryna figure that out too now that I'm running.

In my case, it's just awareness.

But after a certain point, people know you're running, so why continue to spend.

It's especially crazy when you think of how much the positions pay.

My County Mayor gets paid $250K a year but we've got 4 candidates who have all spent over $1M.

That shyt don't make sense.
Because people are fukking idiots. Even after four years of Trump you still have undecideds and independents that are on the fence.

So getting bombarded with Facebook ads and disinformation will easily sway these people.

I recently had someone in their 30s text me a clearly photoshopped AOC tweet that originated on Facebook. Like 'look what AOC is saying, they got the screenshot before she deleted the tweet' :gucci:

Now imagine how easy it is to influence these over 60 year old, mush brained idiots that are looking for any excuse to vote for Trump again.
 
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Can President Donald Trump do it again? Will he be able to convince enough undecided or uncommitted voters to give him another four years in office?

At the moment the short answer is “No”.

Looking just at the 2020 polls, an election observer could be forgiven for thinking that former Vice President Joe Biden has an easy path to unseating Trump. Yet few prognosticators are proclaiming an impending Biden victory. Perhaps this is because, despite a similar deficit in the summer of 2016, then-candidate Trump surprised everyone with an election night victory over his Democratic rival Hillary Clinton.

A big part of that 2016 story is late-deciding voters decisively breaking towards Trump, potentially handing him victory and several swing states. One post-election analysis (APPOR 2016 Post-Election Report) found that Trump gained an average of 1% nationally and 3% in four swing states due to outperforming Clinton among the roughly one-in-eight voters making their decision in the week before Election Day.


This same analysis indicates people who said they were undecided or third-party voters in pre-election polls were more likely to say they ended up voting for Trump, contrary to typical historical patterns of undecided voters breaking relatively evenly between candidates.

Taken together, this suggests reporting on the early polling in 2016 did not account for those voters who were uncommitted but ended up voting for Trump. By focusing on the topline ballot matchup, early poll coverage exaggerated the margin of Clinton’s lead, contributing to overconfidence in forecasting her (not to be) victory.


Indeed, in pre-election analysis of our 2016 Reuters/Ipsos tracking poll, we found evidence that a substantial bloc of undecided voters were sending signals that they were more likely to vote for Trump than Clinton.

A deeper look at these Americans uncovered that many of them held particularly unfavorable opinions of President Barack Obama and aligned with Republicans on most issues. Considering that almost one in five 2016 likely voters were “undecided” on Clinton or Trump in the weeks before the election, this bloc was more than sufficiently large to swing the outcome of the election.

Taking into account their likelihood to vote and secondary signals, inclusion of this bloc of voters shrunk Clinton’s pre-election lead in the polls from a comfortable six points to a much-closer three points (the final national popular vote gave Clinton a two-point lead).

This year, undecided voters are more likely to be female, less likely to have a college degree, more likely to be younger, and are more likely to be a person of color.

As in 2016, today’s undecided voters make up a substantial bloc of the electorate. In our Reuters/Ipsos tracking polls taken July 6-7, one in five registered voters said they were undecided, voting for someone other than the two parties, or don't know. A total of 1,114 Americans age 18 and up from the continental U.S., Alaska and Hawaii were interviewed online in English and asked: “Overall, do you approve or disapprove of the way Donald Trump is handling his job as president?”


A closer look at this group reveals that their composition is slightly different than in 2016. This year, undecided voters are more likely to be female, less likely to have a college degree, more likely to be younger, and are more likely to be a person of color.

Read: The real swing voters are young Black Americans — and they’re not sold on Biden or on voting

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Looking at their sentiment, undecided voters appear to be highly dissatisfied with the state of the U.S. currently. Two-thirds of them believe the country to be on the wrong track and a similar amount disapprove of the president. The majority identify as independent or non-political. If we assume anyone who believes the country is on the right track and/or approves of the president and/or identifies as a Republican, we find that only one-third of undecided voters give signals that they would be inclined to vote for Trump. The remaining two-thirds would be potential Biden voters.

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If we combine this implied support with our regular Reuters/Ipsos tracking survey data, we find that Biden's lead in the polling remains robust. In fact, his lead grows from a solid six-point advantage with registered voters to a “wavelike” 12-point advantage. This is almost the exact opposite of what was observed in 2016 when analysis of undecided voters suggested Clinton’s lead was much smaller than stated in the poll topline.

There’s still time for Trump to alter this situation. Undecided voters are, by definition, not fixed on their opinions. Yet views towards the president’s job performance and the direction of the country have tended to be “sticky” and not likely to change. This suggests that in order to boost his reelection chances, Trump is going to have to do more than change his messaging and win a few news cycles. Trump will need to fundamentally alter the trajectory of the country and convince these undecided voters that he is doing right by them.

Until then, this analysis suggests that Trump does not have a hidden bloc of support that will miraculously appear and alter his standing in the days before the election. With these undecided voters arrayed against him, he is unlikely to pull a second “inside straight” to win reelection.

Chris Jackson is senior vice president and head of polling at Ipsos.
 

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That TLR thread about Joe Biden's recent ad is just so fu*king stupid :snoop:.


Good thing, TLR isn't real life, those dummies would let Trump get re-elected easily just to spite Biden & the Democrats :snoop:.


Doing all of that sh!t talking yet 99.9% of them don't vote and have no idea how politics works:snoop:.
They're not black. Joe already told y'all. :smugbiden:
 
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