Official Biden vs. Trump 2020 General Election Thread (Biden WINS 306 Electoral College Votes)

[winb83]

It does. Impeachment and the 25th amendment. The founders never imagimed this level of partisan tribalism nor a cabinet full of mindless yes men.

Those have been proven to be hardly effective. The president can basically pardon anybody. Arguably even himself for example. Hell he just pardoned a convicted criminal for lying on his behalf. Impeachment and the 25th amendment rely on both houses of congress to actually accuse and then convict the president of being a bad actor. him actually being one doesn't even have to come into play. Impeachment was used when Clinton took a blow job for example. That's irrelevant to governing.

 

[hashmander]

the way the trump campaign is reacting, the polling must have been accurate. they are behaving like people who actually thought they did enough to rig the election and somehow biden's support was enough to overwhelm whatever they did and they're like "how the fukk that happened? it's rigged, they cheated because we cheated and that's the only way they could overcome it."

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

he absolutely would have

What states would each candidate have won without "covid".. and this whole without covid thing is pretty ridiculous to discuss anyway because Trump fukked up a national crisis. We KNEW that he was incapable of handling a crisis situation. If not covid, he's going to fukk up something.. he has a team of amateurs around him who are nothing but yes men.

But let's play the no covid game. Look at the map. It comes down to WI.

 

[Adeptus Astartes]

No. It would have been closer but Biden still wins the Rust Belt. Michigan is a blue state and PA is his home state. Wisconsin would be in toss up territory. He still wins even if he only carries Hilary's states and takes back the rust belt. GA and AZ and NC being close are partly Covid but also changing demos.

There's a few people who I won't bother naming in here who have no clue about elections but are trying to tell others they know nothing. I'm not going to bother getting into a back and forth with them, they know who they are.

I don't know, man. Rona tanked the economy, and it was doing well before that. It also put Trump's incompetence on full display like never before. Incumbents with good economies don't lose.

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

I don't know, man. Rona tanked the economy, and it was doing well before that. It also put Trump's incompetence on full display like never before. Incumbents with good economies don't lose.

This is a broad approach. I'm not saying it's a crazy suggestion. I'm saying look at the state by state data. Trump barely beat Hilary who was the most hated Democratic nominee I can ever remember in the rust belt where she didn't campaign. Michigan already repudiated Trump in 2018. I said it then. He was not winning MI under any circumstances. Biden was always going to do better in PA than Clinton. Those are two givens. To say Trump runs away with it.... I don't think so.

And lets not even get into the popular vote, a Republican is likely never winning the popular vote ever again.

 

[the cac mamba]

What states would each candidate have won without "covid".. and this whole without covid thing is pretty ridiculous to discuss anyway because Trump fukked up a national crisis. We KNEW that he was incapable of handling a crisis situation. If not covid, he's going to fukk up something.. he has a team of amateurs around him who are nothing but yes men.

But let's play the no covid game. Look at the map. It comes down to WI.

im sorry, but i dont see trump losing with unemployment in the 3s and a high stock market it goes against everything we know about this country

not to mention biden's positives would have declined as well in that scenario

 

[AquaCityBoy]

Without coronavirus, there would have been more apathy surrounding the election and no need to push mail in voting, which heavily favored Biden. I don't think Trump would have won in a landslide necessarily but I'd still give him the edge.

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

im sorry, but i dont see trump losing with unemployment in the 3s and a high stock market it goes against everything we know about this country

What states is Trump winning and Biden winning? That's all that matters to the discussion. So you are saying that Trump is extending his leads in MI and PA over Joe Biden (given what we saw out of MI in '18 and Biden hitting PA hard) .... Biden is doing worse in those states than Clinton did?

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

By the way, Coronavirus was not the #1 issue among Biden voters and Economy was not in the top 3. The #1 issue was race. Maybe you don't like exit polling data but that's what we have and Covid was #2 behind race. Even without Covid Trump turned off a lot of people.

 

[the cac mamba]

What states is Trump winning and Biden winning? That's all that matters to the discussion. So you are saying that Trump is extending his leads in MI and PA over Joe Biden (given what we saw out of MI in '18 and Biden hitting PA hard) .... Biden is doing worse in those states than Clinton did?

trump wins GA, probably AZ, maybe PA, maybe WI. clearly biden wins MI

what is bidens even message as a 78 year old up against trump bragging about the economy theres no covid to smear trump as having failed on

i mean obviously yeah biden could have won, but to rule out trump being reelected on the economy from january is ridiculous

 

[winb83]

this dude always have some thoughtful opinions and he's spot on on this.

I watch his videos too but his mistake is thinking all these people have political principals and policies they want enacted. The common Trump supporter isn't behind the man because of his principals. Trump's only principal is further himself by any means necessary.

People cheer Trump on like they cheer on a sports team. Trump isn't even really a republican he's just exploiting their base because for decades that party breed people to bow down to them unquestionably. Trump simply stepped in and dialed up their dog whistle racism and the like to bullhorn levels.

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

trump wins GA, probably AZ, maybe PA, maybe WI. clearly biden wins MI

what is bidens even message as a 78 year old up against trump bragging about the economy theres no covid to smear trump as having failed on

i mean obviously yeah biden could have win, but to rule out trump being reelected on the economy from january is ridiculous

I didn't rule it out I said it'd be close. You are acting like Biden would get washed. Trump was not the 'unbeatable' force that some were trying to portray him as. You just said it yourself...

After all this... you just said that Biden wins MI and "maybe WI/PA" ...that's enough to win the election. Trump cannot win a Hilary state. It's laughable to even think about it. So that leaves the Rust Belt where Biden was always going to perform better than her.

I know history... but we had never had a President as unlikable as Trump, Trump gets his people to the polls, he also gets people who despise him to the polls and Joe is "safe" to the white suburbans.

 

[winb83]

By the way, Coronavirus was not the #1 issue among Biden voters and Economy was not in the top 3. The #1 issue was race. Maybe you don't like exit polling data but that's what we have and Covid was #2 behind race. Even without Covid Trump turned off a lot of people.

Why are you talking about exit polls when the overwhelming majority of Biden voters didn't even go to the polls to begin with?

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

Why are you talking about exit polls when the overwhelming majority of Biden voters didn't even go to the polls to begin with?

Because it's still data from Biden voters. It's not "all voters" .. it's Biden voters. You don't think race was a factor for people who mailed in vs. people who didn't?

 

[mastermind]

this dude always have some thoughtful opinions and he's spot on on this.

He is right, but I fear that Biden and Dem leaders don’t understand that.