Official Biden vs. Trump 2020 General Election Thread (Biden WINS 306 Electoral College Votes)

[Cave Savage]

He doesn't support Medicare for All or legalization of weed and he said he wants to pump a lot more money into law enforcement.

He does support removing the federal ban on marijuana. As for law enforcement, I felt he took the right stance because if he went too far left on that issue he would have lost even more white voters.

That's possible, but I feel like we didn't see nearly enough of Biden this campaign season. I loved that he had a 15$ minimum wage plan but it drove me crazy that he didn't hammer home the fact that he did way more often. His campaign tried to hide him too much from the cameras IMO

Agreed. It felt like it didn't matter much because he was polling well, but political polls are useless in the Trump era I guess. Even if Biden wins I have to imagine Nate Silver and the like exit political polling for good.

 

[Payday23]

Some people give Obama a lot of shyt for ‘not doing enough’ or not going full send on a super liberal agenda.

Maybe he was onto something w/ being a bit more ‘centrist’ and making some plays that mighta pissed off some people further left, but made him palatable enough for the rest of the country to consider voting for.

The far left is hated by the vast majority of the country.

 

[True Blue Moon]

Glad I’m on the west coast. Still drinking and watching. Late but not crazy late

 

[OfTheCross]

ETA this guy is a trump supporter

Not gonna be enough to make it up.

All hope lies in PA mail in ballots

 

[cobra]

Some people give Obama a lot of shyt for ‘not doing enough’ or not going full send on a super liberal agenda.

Maybe he was onto something w/ being a bit more ‘centrist’ and making some plays that mighta pissed off some people further left, but made him palatable enough for the rest of the country to consider voting for.

Joe Biden is also a centrist. he literally has the same policy as Obama.

Obama didn’t really have to compete with all this stuff out there.
The only controversial talking points back then was place of birth

 

[yseJ]

Did the updates stop coming in? Im prolly heading to bed, have early ass meetings tomorrow.

 

[Anerdyblackguy]

ETA this guy is a trump supporter

What does shy mean?

 

[Cave Savage]

Some people give Obama a lot of shyt for ‘not doing enough’ or not going full send on a super liberal agenda.

Maybe he was onto something w/ being a bit more ‘centrist’ and making some plays that mighta pissed off some people further left, but made him palatable enough for the rest of the country to consider voting for.

He was probably the last Dem to capture enough of that "pro labor but somewhat socially conservative" voting block that gave the Dems the Midwest in the 90s, 00s, and Obama years.

 

[invincible1914]

When they say going too far left, they are not talking about economics

they are talking about critical race theory, transgenderism, defunding police, etc

Defund the police should have never been a rally cry.

 

[Cave Savage]

What does shy mean?

Shy of winning unfortunately

 

[TheDarceKnight]

nikka please. Bernie wouldn’t have done shyt in the Midwest and all that stomping for Biden in FL still didn’t win the state for him. Y’all need to get over that shyt. The democratic constituency voted against him in two primaries now. Let that shyt go

I gotta push back on this a little bit. But not all the way. I mean dare I say Bernie actually seemed "not tough enough" to be president with how he'd cozy up to people that threw him under the bas every chance he got, and how he let himself get bullied around. Bernie was also stupid at even entertaining the socialist label. He should've responded by saying, "Am I socialist? I'll tell you what I'm for and you tell me. I'm for M4A, pulling out of wars, etc." But anyways...

Bernie Bros is a misnomer. People that were energetic for Bernie were energetic about his policies, not him per say. There was blatant fukkery with how Pete and Amy pulled out the day before Super Tuesday in order for Biden to get all the more moderate votes. The energy was behind Bernie. It's just that his votes couldn't keep up with essentially 3 in one, and Elizabeth also bled votes from him. She should've pulled out when Amy and Pete pulled out.

To the bigger point. I don't see what the fukking problem is with running a non centrist vanilla candidate. It's worth a shot. We ran this exact experiment in 2016 and look what is happening again. Bernie definitely wasn't very strong in the older demographic, but he had time to improve how he sold himself.

Vote Blue No Matter Who only works in one direction. Rule #1 is Feed your base. The energy was behind Bernie. If the DNC had seen that energy, put their money into Bernie, and helped him improve his messaging, you would've had a left populist against a right populist tonight. I don't know if Bernie would've won but he couldn't be doing much worse than Biden right now. And if so I still think it was worth than shot.

EVERYONE IN AMERICA WANTS SOMETHING DIFFERENT than the status quo man.

And Bernie is to the left of Biden on social issues too. If those Trump cacs thought Joe was too woke, just imagine Bernie.

That's a fair point.

 

[Payday23]

What does shy mean?

Not have enough to catch Trump

 

[Hood Critic]

Y'all have to stop trying to bush polling as if its some new thing we tried and it didn't work out. Electoral polling has been around for quite some time but has only mysteriously seen wild outliers happen frequently in the last 2 elections.

Considering election security issues and other factors we know about the last 2 elections, I think its worth understanding where and how the math went wrong before just throwing it away as ineffective.

 

[Cave Savage]

Defund the police should have never been a rally cry.

A lot of white people and to a lesser extent Latinos have been complaining about the "wokeness" of 2020. I figured they were probably Trump supporters to begin with but maybe some swing voters were grabbed who could have went to Biden.

 

[Baka's Weird Case]

He had the power of personality too. That matters in presidential elections as we're continuing to see. Hillary had none and Biden doesn't either.

i really think thats what elections come down to in this country

you can go back decades and its been like this. these elections are basically a popularity contest