Official Biden vs. Trump 2020 General Election Thread (Biden WINS 306 Electoral College Votes)

[NZA]

Why is everybody on abc ears so big?

cause disney

 

[winb83]

Like I said no COVID and Trump would have easily won this. He would have won by 10:00PM.

 

[hashmander]

Chuck Schumer wants an FDR-style first 100 days

“Our job is to create a Rooseveltian-type response”: a conversation with Senator Chuck Schumer
ANAND: So it's election eve, you and Joe Biden are both known as centrists, moderates, but Biden has also talked about an FDR-sized presidency given the circumstances. In the event that Biden is president and you're Senate majority leader in January, should the first 100 days look like the modern, centrist Democratic Party's, or should it look like FDR's?

CHUCK: It ought to look like FDR's.

One area is climate, with a big, strong, aggressive climate agenda that takes into account working people, takes into account racial injustice.

The second is wealth and income inequality. Obviously, raising the minimum wage to $15 an hour. Changing the tax code so it's fairer for labor rather than capital. Strengthening labor unions. One of the reasons working-class incomes have declined is the weakening of the labor movement. We have to strengthen that. We need a big, broad infrastructure bill, and it could create millions of jobs. A lot of those jobs should go to poor people, people who have had prison records. And these are good-paying jobs. Getting rid of student debt. I have a proposal with Elizabeth Warren that the first $50,000 of debt be vanquished, and we believe that Joe Biden can do that with the pen as opposed to legislation.

Then there are issues that don’t seem related to income inequality but are. Immigration reform. Criminal-justice reform is another economic issue. If you have a small conviction for a minor crime, you can never get a good job. I like the idea of paying care workers more.

The third area is democracy. We’ve got to change the structure of society. Making it much easier to vote. We can change America structurally that way.

So it’s a big, bold agenda. My job is to get as much of that passed and get the votes for it, which obviously is not something I can snap my fingers and do. I want the boldest agenda that we can get the votes to pass.

sorry bud, you're just minority leader.

 

[jilla82]

to you and @jilla82 The thing now too is that a lot of conservatives these days (I'm not counting the hardcore nationalists and die hard Trump voters) have largely accepted that they've lost the culture wars. Most of them seem to just want to be left alone and aren't that fanatical about pushing their ideas onto other people anymore. The reasonable conservatives I interact with mostly just want to live in a sphere of society where they can keep their guns and religion in peace. Many are pro marijuana legalization, many at the very least don't give a shyt either way about gay marriage, and many don't care anymore about the death penalty. Pro-Life seems to be the last social issue that many conservatives haven't entirely given up the culture wars on.

Again, maybe this would be better for another thread, and if I make one I'll tag you, but I am very concerned about people that have been on the left their entire lives being alienated from the left going forward; a lot of people don't want to be called transphobic because they made the wrong joke on twitter, etc. There are people that have been democrats their entire lives that feel like political orphans now, and I don't want the right taking these people up because of identity politics and the left allowing Twitter mobs that don't represent most people dictating how everyone behaves.

I agree with you.
Reading some of the replies in this thread show me that folks on the left are just as blind as the folks on the right.

I think its ultimatly going to cause a rift amongst black voters.
There are a lot of black folks that arent for the Dems...and were seeing them starting to poke their head out.

They get called a c00n...and they stop caring altogether about wanting to vote w/ the party.
Folks only know their team

 

[Ozymandeas]

Thats my baby

 

[Cave Savage]

to you and @jilla82 The thing now too is that a lot of conservatives these days (I'm not counting the hardcore nationalists and die hard Trump voters) have largely accepted that they've lost the culture wars. Most of them seem to just want to be left alone and aren't that fanatical about pushing their ideas onto other people anymore. The reasonable conservatives I interact with mostly just want to live in a sphere of society where they can keep their guns and religion in peace. Many are pro marijuana legalization, many at the very least don't give a shyt either way about gay marriage, and many don't care anymore about the death penalty. Pro-Life seems to be the last social issue that many conservatives haven't entirely given up the culture wars on.

Again, maybe this would be better for another thread, and if I make one I'll tag you, but I am very concerned about people that have been on the left their entire lives being alienated from the left going forward; a lot of people don't want to be called transphobic because they made the wrong joke on twitter, etc. There are people that have been democrats their entire lives that feel like political orphans now, and I don't want the right taking these people up because of identity politics and the left allowing Twitter mobs that don't represent most people dictating how everyone behaves.

I agree and we should make a seperate thread later.

Issues where I think the Dems are arguably weak versus conservatives (not saying I agree with the them):

Immigration (both legal and illegal)
Transgender issues
Guns

The stances that the progressive left takes on these issues often does not gain them any political capital, and it is probably driving many people to either not vote or vote GOP.

 

[iceberg_is_on_fire]

He was an incumbent with a 41 percent approval rating. Let me reiterate 41 percent, yet here we are with Trump making historic inroads.

Like with all other polling, mufukkas aren't being honest with it. Can't poll anymore in this day and age.

 

[Loose]

Like I said no COVID and Trump would have easily won this. He would have won by 10:00PM.

I'm not sure i agree with this , I think oddly covid helped him looks like republican turnout is up

 

[Lootpack]

Why is everybody on abc ears so big?

Home of fukkin Mickey Mouse, it runs in the family

 

[No1]

He was an incumbent with a 41 percent approval rating. Let me reiterate 41 percent, yet here we are with Trump making historic inroads.

What are these inroads? An exit poll of no value because of people voting early? Trump won regular Republican voters and shifted more Cubans to his side than usual. That’s about it. It says more
About how racist America is that any democrat could lose to him.

 

[88m3]

But ain’t French a Latin derived language? Makes sense to me, what makes French less Latin than Spanish?

Linguistically sure but I tend to think ethnically granted the Spanish and Portuguese former empires are mixed with African and Native populations

 

[TheDarceKnight]

im just trying to figure out where these republican votes are even coming from

im in shock... hes been around 40 percent approval all year, trailing in all these polls...then out of nowhere after all this shyt with covid, all these people come out wanting four more years?

this should have been an easy blowout. this is the single worst presidential term we've had in decades and half the country is fine with that?

I think a lot of people really disliked Biden/Harris man. And either didn't say it as loudly. And I think a LOT of undecided voters were just Trump voters that didn't want to admit it.

2nd Amendment is a big thing. A very big thing that no one is talking about. Joe Biden was talking about a lot more than just banning assault weapons. If you go look at LiberalGunOwners or 2ALiberals on reddit you'll see a ton of people on there. So many people bought guns during this pandemic. In my state there was a 300-400%% increase in gun and ammunition sales during all the protests while there was also talk of defunding the police.

Democrats push a bit too hard on the anti-gun rhetoric. A lot of very liberal cats on those 2 sub-reddits said they were voting on 2A alone, and most of them said they were only voting for Biden because Trump is just that bad, but any other year they wouldn't vote for Biden. And I assume some voted Trump or 3rd party.

A lot of working class people really hate the system. I think a lot of people (myself included on this one) saw Trump as a symptom of a larger problem and not the disease. Obviously I despise Trump but I still think a lot of Americans are so desperate that they're almost willing to blow the whole country up on the fukking 1 in a million chance that they'll see some change. They're wanting to believe this con man because it is that bad for them.

I'll try and find this study, but I think I read 54% of Americans say it was worse in 2012 than now.

Here it is: More voters say they're better off under Trump than when Obama, Bush sought re-election: Gallup poll

 

[ill_will82]

atlanta and/or detroit need to bring this home

Like I said earlier, Detroit alone ain't gon be able to do it. They at least 2 other counties and overwhelming vote for Joe in Detroit.

 

[Starski]

This guy is about to try to call it....watch

*tinfoil hat*

 

[Conscious Pilot]

I’m waking up to some bullshyt in the morning huh