Official Biden vs. Trump 2020 General Election Thread (Biden WINS 306 Electoral College Votes)

Who wins?

  • Joe Biden, Vice President of the USA (2009-2017)

    Votes: 440 81.6%
  • Donald Trump, President of the USA (2017-present)

    Votes: 99 18.4%

  • Total voters
    539
  • Poll closed .

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You seem to pretty worked up about this. I just think you’re mistaken in thinking this story, however bad it is, is something to campaign on. You have to prioritize and right now, COVID and the economy are two outpost that move the needle for most groups. If you think that calculation is apocalyptic, then we’ve been dead a long time.

As far as besting Trump, I don’t know where you get the idea that beating him is easy when it’s literally the opposite. He and his supporters don’t live in reality and there’s nothing anyone can do right now to break that bubble.

Pretty much. No matter how terrible a candidate, they're hard to beat if their supporters are not only completely irrational, but more motivated to vote than anybody else. :francis:
 

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Anyone who refuses to see what a hateful, ignorant, sociopathic and corrupt moron Trump is when he speaks either in a conversation or a monologue needs to get checked.

I'm happy the ABC thing was a train wreck for him because the so-called liberal media fallen down on the gig so many times I don't even know how to get frustrated anymore :gucci:
 

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You seem to pretty worked up about this. I just think you’re mistaken in thinking this story, however bad it is, is something to campaign on. You have to prioritize and right now, COVID and the economy are two outpost that move the needle for most groups. If you think that calculation is apocalyptic, then we’ve been dead a long time.

As far as besting Trump, I don’t know where you get the idea that beating him is easy when it’s literally the opposite. He and his supporters don’t live in reality and there’s nothing anyone can do right now to break that bubble.
I sincerely don't know how anyone can't be worked up about this story or any of the others that have come out recently. I truly don't understand the people who can only see these atrocities through the lens of electoral politics. "We should consult the polls before we decide to condemn genocide" is just not something my brain is built to understand. But I suspect you're right, we have been dead a long time.

I've been beating this drum for a long time, but no one has shown me convincing evidence that Trump has expanded his coalition/electorate from 2016 and he won by a hair's margin last time against a uniquely poor candidate. No one has shown me the wave of 2016 non-Trump voters who will be voting for him now. He's lost a lot of support. I don't understand the chicken little behavior when it comes to the election, besides him outright rigging the election. I agree his supporters don't live in reality (which is why America will still be on a terminal trajectory even if Biden wins, and the next decade will be hell) but they're not a large enough core to win the election with, so I'm pretty confident Biden will win. But I don't know, electoral prognostication isn't my bag.
 

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I sincerely don't know how anyone can't be worked up about this story or any of the others that have come out recently. I truly don't understand the people who can only see these atrocities through the lens of electoral politics. "We should consult the polls before we decide to condemn genocide" is just not something my brain is built to understand. But I suspect you're right, we have been dead a long time.

I've been beating this drum for a long time, but no one has shown me convincing evidence that Trump has expanded his coalition/electorate from 2016 and he won by a hair's margin last time against a uniquely poor candidate. No one has shown me the wave of 2016 non-Trump voters who will be voting for him now. He's lost a lot of support. I don't understand the chicken little behavior when it comes to the election, besides him outright rigging the election. I agree his supporters don't live in reality (which is why America will still be on a terminal trajectory even if Biden wins, and the next decade will be hell) but they're not a large enough core to win the election with, so I'm pretty confident Biden will win. But I don't know, electoral prognostication isn't my bag.

I doubt Trump has gained any support. The issue is whether people will come out for Biden or just stay home again.

Maybe they will :manny: but after 2016 I expect the worst from American voters.
 

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This operates under the assumption that everyone is corrupt.

Corruption isn't the fault of the incoming administration not investigating the previous administration.

Instead Corruption is a result of the current administration being ran by people who turn a blind eye to or are corrupt themselves.

With the way the government is setup, if you elect a corrupt person as the top law enforcement officer, as we see, there's really nothing to be done about corruption.

Is it even corruption if the citizens re-elect them knowing they're corrupt? I
I don't think my post operates under the assumption everyone is corrupt, in fact I'm urging the Biden administration to punish corruption so it doesn't take root again. If he doesn't, then yes, I think he would be culpable in any subsequent corruption, just as the Obama administration bears some responsibility for the resurgence of the Bush war criminals his administration refused to prosecute. Corruption isn't individual, it's systemic. If you don't rip out the roots, the weeds will grow again. Prosecuting the Trump administration criminals is both justice and good policy if your aim is to stop these horrors from happening again. But if your aim is to drift off back to the sleep with a smile because The Good Father™ is in charge again and isn't asking anything of you other than to continue purchasing and consuming entertainment, then yes, I could see how pursuing justice and eradicating corruption would be a nuisance.
 

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I sincerely don't know how anyone can't be worked up about this story or any of the others that have come out recently. I truly don't understand the people who can only see these atrocities through the lens of electoral politics. "We should consult the polls before we decide to condemn genocide" is just not something my brain is built to understand. But I suspect you're right, we have been dead a long time.
I can see being outraged about it, but we're in a thread about an election. It is what it is.

I've been beating this drum for a long time, but no one has shown me convincing evidence that Trump has expanded his coalition/electorate from 2016 and he won by a hair's margin last time against a uniquely poor candidate. No one has shown me the wave of 2016 non-Trump voters who will be voting for him now. He's lost a lot of support. I don't understand the chicken little behavior when it comes to the election, besides him outright rigging the election. I agree his supporters don't live in reality (which is why America will still be on a terminal trajectory even if Biden wins, and the next decade will be hell) but they're not a large enough core to win the election with, so I'm pretty confident Biden will win. But I don't know, electoral prognostication isn't my bag.
I don't either. Right now, Trump is unequivocally getting his ass beat. I think Biden will pull this one out. That doesn't mean he's easy to defeat by any means.
 

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I doubt Trump has gained any support. The issue is whether people will come out for Biden or just stay home again.

Maybe they will :manny: but after 2016 I expect the worst from American voters.
I think people are more motivated to come out against Trump than they were in 2016. Unprecedented rates of polarization, and Joe is far more likable than Hillary was.
 

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I sincerely don't know how anyone can't be worked up about this story or any of the others that have come out recently. I truly don't understand the people who can only see these atrocities through the lens of electoral politics. "We should consult the polls before we decide to condemn genocide" is just not something my brain is built to understand. But I suspect you're right, we have been dead a long time.

I've been beating this drum for a long time, but no one has shown me convincing evidence that Trump has expanded his coalition/electorate from 2016 and he won by a hair's margin last time against a uniquely poor candidate. No one has shown me the wave of 2016 non-Trump voters who will be voting for him now. He's lost a lot of support. I don't understand the chicken little behavior when it comes to the election, besides him outright rigging the election. I agree his supporters don't live in reality (which is why America will still be on a terminal trajectory even if Biden wins, and the next decade will be hell) but they're not a large enough core to win the election with, so I'm pretty confident Biden will win. But I don't know, electoral prognostication isn't my bag.

You're acting as if there aren't a number of atrocities to be outraged about on almost a daily basis. This isn't the first or the last one, focus your energy on removing this administration.
 

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I sincerely don't know how anyone can't be worked up about this story or any of the others that have come out recently. I truly don't understand the people who can only see these atrocities through the lens of electoral politics. "We should consult the polls before we decide to condemn genocide" is just not something my brain is built to understand. But I suspect you're right, we have been dead a long time.

I've been beating this drum for a long time, but no one has shown me convincing evidence that Trump has expanded his coalition/electorate from 2016 and he won by a hair's margin last time against a uniquely poor candidate. No one has shown me the wave of 2016 non-Trump voters who will be voting for him now. He's lost a lot of support. I don't understand the chicken little behavior when it comes to the election, besides him outright rigging the election. I agree his supporters don't live in reality (which is why America will still be on a terminal trajectory even if Biden wins, and the next decade will be hell) but they're not a large enough core to win the election with, so I'm pretty confident Biden will win. But I don't know, electoral prognostication isn't my bag.
Politics is a game to many posters in this forum. It really comes down to that. It's no different than the OSU/Michigan wars or Saints vs. Falcons to many posters/people. This shyt is not serious to them. You have people thinking it a great political play for Bob Woodward to sit on Trump lying about the severity of COVID for 6 months or waiting for polling to see if it is okay to condemn genocide. Its a really dark time and people are not taking it serious.

Democracy dies when people aren't held accountable for their crimes and democracy is dying in this country when you can commit horrific crimes and no one holds them accountable. Our leadership has been cowardly and are letting the nation die.
 

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I doubt Trump has gained any support. The issue is whether people will come out for Biden or just stay home again.

Maybe they will :manny: but after 2016 I expect the worst from American voters.
Do you think people would come out for Biden if he took stronger stances on some of this bullshyt that is transpiring instead of a simple "c'mon jack!"
 
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