Official Biden vs. Trump 2020 General Election Thread (Biden WINS 306 Electoral College Votes)

[acri1]

Politics is a game to many posters in this forum. It really comes down to that. It's no different than the OSU/Michigan wars or Saints vs. Falcons to many posters/people. This shyt is not serious to them. You have people thinking it a great political play for Bob Woodward to sit on Trump lying about the severity of COVID for 6 months or waiting for polling to see if it is okay to condemn genocide. Its a really dark time and people are not taking it serious.

Democracy dies when people aren't held accountable for their crimes and democracy is dying in this country when you can commit horrific crimes and no one holds them accountable. Our leadership has been cowardly and are letting the nation die.

I don't think it's that people aren't taking it seriously. People just get cynical after four years of Trump consistently getting away with everything and suffering no legal or political consequences.

At this point it seems like no matter how much people call out Trump nothing ever changes. But that's on Republicans and their voters, not HL posters.

Do you think people would come out for Biden if he took stronger stances on some of this bullshyt that is transpiring instead of a simple "c'mon jack!"

No. I think people are stupid and would still be on "both sides" bullshyt regardless of what Biden did.

Taking stronger stances is probably the morally right thing to do anyway, but I'm not convinced it would help politically. If ethics helped people get elected Trump wouldn't be president.

 

[jj23]

I don't think my post operates under the assumption everyone is corrupt, in fact I'm urging the Biden administration to punish corruption so it doesn't take root again. If he doesn't, then yes, I think he would be culpable in any subsequent corruption, just as the Obama administration bears some responsibility for the resurgence of the Bush war criminals his administration refused to prosecute. Corruption isn't individual, it's systemic. If you don't rip out the roots, the weeds will grow again. Prosecuting the Trump administration criminals is both justice and good policy if your aim is to stop these horrors from happening again. But if your aim is to drift off back to the sleep with a smile because The Good Father™ is in charge again and isn't asking anything of you other than to continue purchasing and consuming entertainment, then yes, I could see how pursuing justice and eradicating corruption would be a nuisance.

No lies told.

8 years down the road you end up with a smarter version of Trump, all the while wondering how you got there.

That said, despite everything you have said, whether you agree he has the bully pulpit or not, you at least need to appreciate that at this stage, let's win then get to work.

 

[jj23]

Politics is a game to many posters in this forum. It really comes down to that. It's no different than the OSU/Michigan wars or Saints vs. Falcons to many posters/people. This shyt is not serious to them. You have people thinking it a great political play for Bob Woodward to sit on Trump lying about the severity of COVID for 6 months or waiting for polling to see if it is okay to condemn genocide. Its a really dark time and people are not taking it serious.

Democracy dies when people aren't held accountable for their crimes and democracy is dying in this country when you can commit horrific crimes and no one holds them accountable. Our leadership has been cowardly and are letting the nation die.

Let's be fair.

Folks have been through 4 years of Trump, shyt has been a disaster.

At this stage folks want to get over the line, that's perfectly understandable...kinda like how you feel at the last few miles of a marathon.

If you get over the line and refuse to learn the lessons of the last few years however, it would be saddening.

 

[mastermind]

I don't think it's that people aren't taking it seriously. People just get cynical after four years of Trump consistently getting away with everything and suffering no legal or political consequences.

At this point it seems like no matter how much people call out Trump nothing ever changes. But that's on Republicans and their voters, not HL posters.

It's not calling out Trump, its demanding justice. The actual law and order bullshyt.

No. I think people are stupid and would still be on "both sides" bullshyt regardless of what Biden did.

Taking stronger stances is probably the morally right thing to do anyway, but I'm not convinced it would help politically. If ethics helped people get elected Trump wouldn't be president.

This what I mean about the "its a game" talk. We aren't serious about anything in this country. This is not going at you, but just the idea you shared.

Let's be fair.

Folks have been through 4 years of Trump, shyt has been a disaster.

At this stage folks want to get over the line, that's perfectly understandable...kinda like how you feel at the last few miles of a marathon.

If you get over the line and refuse to learn the lessons of the last few years however, it would be saddening.

I was there during the Dubya era, breh. We learned no lessons from that time period. Thats why you hold folk accountable.

 

[Loose]

I don’t believe this

 

[DrDealgood]

I don’t believe this

The sample size isn't that big and I consider it an outlier but I think we may be turning a corner after Labor Day and the undecideds may be breaking Joe's way

Notice how much more over the top the rhetoric is getting from the Right Wing noise machine and those in the Trump Crime Maladministration? They are feeling cornered.

 

[acri1]

It's not calling out Trump, its demanding justice. The actual law and order bullshyt.

I'm not exactly clear on what "demanding justice" entails in this context.

Protesting? That already is and has been happening. And I'm not sure sending Trump or the GOP a list of demands is really going to do much.

 

[mastermind]

I'm not exactly clear on what "demanding justice" entails in this context.

Protesting? That already is and has been happening. And I'm not sure sending Trump or the GOP a list of demands is really going to do much.

Simple.

We believe they did something wrong, so we will investigate it and see if it is criminal when I am elected president.

 

[King Static X]

I don’t believe this

You don't have to but the idea of Minnesota being a "tossup/competitive" state should be put to an end.

Biden is going to win MN by 8-10%.

 

[Piff Perkins]

I don’t believe this

It’s an outlier. The aggregate is clear though: Biden is winning MN by 5-8 points.

 

[MoneyTron]

 

[ill_will82]

 

[Pressure]

I don't think my post operates under the assumption everyone is corrupt, in fact I'm urging the Biden administration to punish corruption so it doesn't take root again. If he doesn't, then yes, I think he would be culpable in any subsequent corruption, just as the Obama administration bears some responsibility for the resurgence of the Bush war criminals his administration refused to prosecute. Corruption isn't individual, it's systemic. If you don't rip out the roots, the weeds will grow again. Prosecuting the Trump administration criminals is both justice and good policy if your aim is to stop these horrors from happening again. But if your aim is to drift off back to the sleep with a smile because The Good Father™ is in charge again and isn't asking anything of you other than to continue purchasing and consuming entertainment, then yes, I could see how pursuing justice and eradicating corruption would be a nuisance.

Again your premise operates under the assumption that a Biden administration won't act on the recommendations and referrals from congressional oversight, watchdogs, and inspector generals.

You prosecute crime objectively if your goal is to root out corruption.

You remove unfit bad actors objectively.

It's been one of the biggest complaints of the Trump administration, that he's only concerned with corruption if it is done by a Democrat or someone associated with Obama.

Justice department shouldn't be politicized.

 

[ill_will82]

he got bodied with Hillary too.

I'm starting to think debates don't even matter

Something tells me this debate is going to be different though... I really think Trump is going to get bodied on an epic scale though just b/c he's arrogant and very dismissive of thinking Joe Biden can't touch him.

 

[DrDealgood]

Important for perspective. Like I said, if Trump loses FL (or OH) his chances of winning are virtually zero. But the Biden campaign can't treat them shyts like Stalingrad in WWII

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