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Daou was probably the biggest Bernie hater during the 2016 primary

Also this is interesting :mjgrin:

#Election2020 – Bernie Sanders Sole Candidate to Address the Black Press at NNPA National Convention | The Atlanta Voice

"Every major newspaper and news organization in the country has labeled the Black vote crucial to success in the 2020 presidential election, and statistics show that African Americans are 60% more likely to utilize and trust print-related resources for information than the general public.

However, of the 24 candidates seeking the Democratic nomination for president, Senator Bernie Sanders (I-VT) is the only one that has agreed to address key influencers of the African American community — the Black Press of America — at the National Newspaper Publishers Association’s (NNPA) annual convention Friday June 28th at 7:30pm at The Westin Cincinnati Hotel in Cincinnati, Ohio."
 
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Brehs, Biden seems to be losing little by little ground

I’m still not sure how there’s a path for Bernie to win rather than being in the top 3 come next summer at the convention

Also we know the superdelegates on 2nd ballot ain’t giving him shid
 

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Brehs, Biden seems to be losing little by little ground

I’m still not sure how there’s a path for Bernie to win rather than being in the top 3 come next summer at the convention

Also we know the superdelegates on 2nd ballot ain’t giving him shid

Will Bernie's brother vote for him as a superdelegate again?
 

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Will Bernie's brother vote for him as a superdelegate again?

Well, that's only 1 :bernielaugh:

Vast majority won't of course.
The hatred these centrist Dems have for Bernie is personal. He exposed their whole scam in 2016, and they hate him for it.

Its based on name recognition at this point but Biden voters 2nd preference by a lot is Bernie.

How does Bernie get some of these older Dem primary voters?

 

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Bernie explained what he meant by that in an interview with the young Turks. His explanation is that if he has opposition from congressmen or senators that he'd show up in their state or district to rally support and pressure from their constituents directly. The point is to let them know that you can get down or be replaced.

I would definitely be down with that. I'd prefer it by a ton to the strategy during Obama's terms, which was, "Use backdoor political dealing and establishment pressure to keep Dems in line with a center-left agenda, and give up all chance of getting any other votes whatsoever."
 

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The other one is him being against stacking the courts, but the alternative he mentioned sounds like one I found really intriguing in the past. He briefly mentioned rolling judge appointments in the debates. My guess is that's gonna be a version of the Court Lottery mentioned in this article (and the more detailed description is linked in the opening bit of the article):

Depoliticizing the Supreme Court may mean radically overhauling it: Law professor

I think these are the two biggest ones that I've seen used to suggest Bernie won't be able to get things done because of norms. But I do think these alternatives have legs. I'm not sure if there are other limitations people have brought up though. These are just the main two I keep hearing about.
Those are gorgeous proposals for the Supreme Court. I prefer the "15 judge bench" one, as the rotating bench has too high a chance of getting a bad draw and totally F'ing up some important case.
 

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Those are gorgeous proposals for the Supreme Court. I prefer the "15 judge bench" one, as the rotating bench has too high a chance of getting a bad draw and totally F'ing up some important case.

Yeah, I really like them as potential long term fixes rather than the temporary solution of court stacking. I was really excited about the concepts when I saw them proposed but it didn't seem to gain traction. When Buttigeig talked about his court fix, I was thinking he might be making a poorly explained version of that 15 judge bench concept.
 

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You definitely can do both. Bernie has shown that he's really only interested in doing one.
as he should. obama did a couple of things for the PEOPLE. Most of what he wanted to do wasnt done or was so b*stardized it was only done in theory.

Taking it to them and leaning on bad representatives and informing the less informed/lazy voters of whats really going on is by far the most effective way to get things done as the president. It will also cause people to vote out idiots in congress at the same time.

Why is it that people are so afraid of medicare for all? because they are too lazy or dont know that if you pay 100 bucks more in taxes to not pay 300 bucks in premiums and co-pays/coins per month. you just saved 200 bucks. Most people dont know that. And to get people to realize that. bernie has to roll up on you with a nice power point slide and tell you piece by piece, equation by equation. simple math by simple math. then you get the voters to say "OHHHHH... I SEE NOW" Then you tell them to tell their representatives to get down with the plan or lay down. its not hard.

The reason this has to be done is because our voters are SUPER IGNORANT to whats really going on and how things actually work. So someone is going to have to run around the country explaining things to them in simple form and then having them push their people to do their bidding.

There is no other way. We've tried the other stuff already. and by the way, he never said he wouldnt use his executive orders to make things move. but presidents that are not bullies(trump) should never do that right off the start because you do realize that pisses people off even if its something they need and can use. you have to explain it to them, have them lobby their reps first. then when that fails. THENNNN you pull the exec orders and force it. when they cry about it, you say "i told you about this before, we went thru the chain of command and nothing happened. so I'm taking matters into my own hands." thats the way you run the white house. If you just run thru doing a trump and drumming up exec orders. all that will happen is you will get an angry mob of hater voters the next 4 years voting you out and voting yet another idiot in office and that new guy will over turn all of your exec orders. because thats the draw back to using that power. it only lasts for as long as you're in power or someone comes behind you that agrees with those actions.

Bernie is trying to change the culture. You have to get people involved in their own political stuff so they can keep an eye on these politicians and companies even after bernie is done with the white house.

Remember, these same arguments sure sound like 2016 arguments about how bernie couldnt get anyone elected on any down tickets that are progressive like him. they swore that only bernie thinks like this and no one else is going to follow. well look at us now. 3 years later and every other question on the dem debate is a bernie question. aint that something. The dude moved the needle before and he wasnt even a known person. what do you think he can do as the president? use your head and stop being stuck in the OLD way of doing things.
 

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I thought Sanders was supposed to be this fundraising god?

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no you didnt. sanders was a grassroots dude. that means at times you will shine and other times you wont because you are getting money from REAL LIFE PEOPLE. little donations. not big giant donors and super rich people constantly throwing the bag at you.
 

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lastly, the polls do not reflect most of the people at all. the manner in which they get the people to poll skews the statistics. all of these polls are using most of the same people to answer their questions. the only thing the polls can do is be pushed by media to Help regular people be pushed to one side or another thinking and assuming that the poll numbers are legit based on most people's thoughts when they are not. so most people are sheeple and they will follow along with the crowd or they just wont vote in fear that it doesnt matter since the polls show their guy/girl aint looking to hot.
 
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