Official Bernie Sanders HQ: Not Me, Us!

[BoBurnz]

Like with foreign policy, I need to see it from them before I believe it, I need to know there will be a demonstrable difference in governance and methodology rather than simply rhetorically. Sanders and Ro Khanna directly ended intervention in Yemen. Corey Booker was trying to ape on Sanders on stage while also talking about "We gotta nuke Iran".

Even in rhetoric, Warren for instance talks about the US being the world leader in renewable energy which misses the point, even Andrew Yang recognizes that we can't be in competition with each other. This needs to be a cooperative effort, one that cannot sustain itself through capitalist spirit of competition and greed. I don't see the distinction as meaningless rhetorical play, personally, but as the difference in their convictions and beliefs.

 

[NkrumahWasRight Is Wrong]

Completely agree, he could be rhetorically sonning the field but he is too nice for that. Only thing that might cause him to lose.

Funny thing is that what u said is true but many democrats claim he exudes negative energy. I dont get it honestly

 

[Berniewood Hogan]

 

[chico25]

Not on no hate shyt, but why was Bernie's explanation for half his policies revolution/marching is the streets? That shyt isn't going to cut it with however many debates, over a year of campaigning left, and 23 candidates. This dude is supposed to be so visionary but can explain, at a high level, how he'll implement these things, that's a terrible look especially when he's see as a "socialist", it really is his responsibility to be more buttoned up to shut people/naysayers/moderators/other candidates down.

Like is he really going to be sworn in, do a national address and just yell to everyone "riooooot". This geezer our here running on a platform of implementing a real life purge

Bernie explained what he meant by that in an interview with the young Turks. His explanation is that if he has opposition from congressmen or senators that he'd show up in their state or district to rally support and pressure from their constituents directly. The point is to let them know that you can get down or be replaced.

 

[Berniewood Hogan]

here's the next thing they're going to try, bernie bros:





and of course, here's the fukking truth:










they will not stop lying and bullshytting about this man. but you know what?

WE KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING.

AND IT ISN'T GOING TO WORK.

 

[AnonymityX1000]

Bernie explained what he meant by that in an interview with the young Turks. His explanation is that if he has opposition from congressmen or senators that he'd show up in their state or district to rally support and pressure from their constituents directly. The point is to let them know that you can get down or be replaced.

And he has actually done it with pressure on Disney, Amazon and other companies for higher wages. And guess what? It worked.

 

[King Kreole]

Because it's the only viable way forward.

You need a plan not simply rooted in electoral math to actually accomplish anything, there's overwhelming gridlock in the US government that you can't overcome through elections. Obama had the mandate as well and then immediately dismantled his popular apparatus and went about not being about to accomplish anything.

His explanation is a valid one, people just don't assume it to be so because they've convinced themselves that better things are impossible. It's why his speech is always the same, because he understands that there's no electoral "math" or solution in which there is meaningful, systemic change that is necessary to change this country for the better.

You're fundamentally misunderstanding what he's positing and that his style of speaking is, he's not a natural debater, he knows that, so he's sticking with his point and overall strategy to keep America mobilized and have people recognize and be able to point out the actual malefactors in US Government, which are on both sides, which prevent it from functioning and prevent the people from getting what they want. It's his only play, it's the only play that will work, it's the only play we have that offers literally anything meaningful beyond another few years of gridlock while we dance closer and closer to the edge of the flames. He's not telling people to riot, he's telling people "this is your government, these people are beholden to you, let your voice be heard and do not let them silence you again". It's why his floor is 15% and he will never fall below that.

It was awful, every time she wasn't in direct conflict with Biden over his racism she was basically a wet napkin with no charisma, her closing statement was just objectively awful. Sanders was fine, he was smart to sit back and let Harris attack Biden while he stayed on message to his points that he's been on for 40 years.

Historically, organizing large numbers of people has changed things. Civil rights, women's movements, labor movements. Idk pick other random country who had people organize for change in history. Bernie has a massive volunteer base.

Poor and working people aren't going to be saved by just trying to wonk your way against people with unlimited amounts of influence in the insurance and military industry

I'm not really sure where I land on the political scale but somewhere in the dem socialist range(MLK in the last year of his life, Fred Hampton). His style of campaigning is taken from past movements that I support so I appreciate it.

If Bernie is president I would guess he would rally his base to support specific union strikes all over the country. He's been sending out emails to supporters since he launched about supporting union strikes at hospitals and universities.

Bernie Sanders is using his massive email list to warn immigrants about ICE raids

I also mention it here

im pretty sure warren said this as well in the debate yesterday about organizing. And candidates that are supported by insurance companies and MSNBC which is owned by comcast are going to engage in bad faith even when it's explained to them so it's lost a cause tbh.

These are good posts, but the problem is that we're talking about the office of the President of the United States. If the best case scenario for a Sanders administration is Bernie barnstorming around the country, whipping up support for "the revolution", then I would consider that a failure. We're living in the times of the Imperial Presidency, the office now has more independent power than ever before. There are a bevvy of tools at the President's disposal to help turn the tide towards a progressive future, but Bernie's "take to the streets" activist responses to these questions indicate his strengths are more suited to the Vice-Presidency or even his current role as the most famous Senator. He doesn't need to be President to agitate around the country, he's been doing that very successfully since he became a national figure. I would prefer a President who will actually utilize the tools of the office.

 

[AnonymityX1000]

These are good posts, but the problem is that we're talking about the office of the President of the United States. If the best case scenario for a Sanders administration is Bernie barnstorming around the country, whipping up support for "the revolution", then I would consider that a failure. We're living in the times of the Imperial Presidency, the office now has more independent power than ever before. There are a bevvy of tools at the President's disposal to help turn the tide towards a progressive future, but Bernie's "take to the streets" activist responses to these questions indicate his strengths are more suited to the Vice-Presidency or even his current role as the most famous Senator. He doesn't need to be President to agitate around the country, he's been doing that very successfully since he became a national figure. I would prefer a President who will actually utilize the tools of the office.

I distinctly remember Obama doing exactly that. Pointing at bridges talking about infrastructure bills, going on speaking tours and promoting what he wanted done in Congress. I think you can be in the streets and pull the levers of the office at the same time.

 

[King Kreole]

I distinctly remember Obama doing exactly that. Pointing at bridges talking about infrastructure bills, going on speaking tours and promoting what he wanted done in Congress. I think you can be in the streets and pull the levers of the office at the same time.

You definitely can do both. Bernie has shown that he's really only interested in doing one.

 

[AnonymityX1000]

You definitely can do both. Bernie has shown that he's really only interested in doing one.

If you say so.

 

[Berniewood Hogan]

If you say so.

here's something else he said

Trump ran the most explicitly pro-black campaign in modern Republican history.

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[King Kreole]

here's something else he said



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[storyteller]

These are good posts, but the problem is that we're talking about the office of the President of the United States. If the best case scenario for a Sanders administration is Bernie barnstorming around the country, whipping up support for "the revolution", then I would consider that a failure. We're living in the times of the Imperial Presidency, the office now has more independent power than ever before. There are a bevvy of tools at the President's disposal to help turn the tide towards a progressive future, but Bernie's "take to the streets" activist responses to these questions indicate his strengths are more suited to the Vice-Presidency or even his current role as the most famous Senator. He doesn't need to be President to agitate around the country, he's been doing that very successfully since he became a national figure. I would prefer a President who will actually utilize the tools of the office.

There are two points I've seen made to suggest Bernie won't be able to get things passed. I think he's addressed them with alternative suggestions though that didn't get as much fanfare. Let me know if there are others but; I know he came out for protecting the filibuster. He was pretty quick to explain that the work around would be budget reconciliation which effectively does the same thing.

Bernie Sanders’s plan to blow up the filibuster and pass Medicare-for-all, explained

The other one is him being against stacking the courts, but the alternative he mentioned sounds like one I found really intriguing in the past. He briefly mentioned rolling judge appointments in the debates. My guess is that's gonna be a version of the Court Lottery mentioned in this article (and the more detailed description is linked in the opening bit of the article):

Depoliticizing the Supreme Court may mean radically overhauling it: Law professor

I think these are the two biggest ones that I've seen used to suggest Bernie won't be able to get things done because of norms. But I do think these alternatives have legs. I'm not sure if there are other limitations people have brought up though. These are just the main two I keep hearing about.

 

[afterlife2009]

nate silver's spin: "23.7% of voters hate Bernie Sanders!!! "

I love the comedy that's posted in the primary thread. they are trying so hard to speak bernie's demise into existence

 

[AnonymityX1000]

nate silver's spin: "23.7% of voters hate Bernie Sanders!!! "

I love the comedy that's posted in the primary thread. they are trying so hard to speak bernie's demise into existence

It's really fukkin' weird.