Official Bernie Sanders HQ: Not Me, Us!

[the cac mamba]

Or like Democrats allowed McConnel to sit on Garland’s nomination for a year. These are the people you expect me to do the right thing? To fight far right ideologies? I know who the I’m dealing with i have no faith the Democrats will be able to accomplish anything or do anything for the people.

same for the Republicans

i guess bernie is stupid for telling you to vote for biden then

 

[A Cop]

Moreover, progressives at this point need to adopt the same uncompromising tone the tea party did. They started small and eventually swung the party further to the right. Progressives need to get off their high horse and wrestle in the mud with these creatures.

The Tea Party was completely astroturfed. It was a GOP get-out-the-vote strategy. Would be nice if the Dems even bothered to try such a thing, though. I don't think paying Puff Daddy to say "VOTE OR DIE" was the move.

 

[2Quik4UHoes]

I do agree a progressive movement can happen under Biden. Dem base doesn't want a compromise anymore. The freshmen class put their imprint on the party already.

Thats an absolute best case scenario. I’m thinking if he wins there might be a few steps forward. But on the whole, if the left is truly fed up they gotta take the gloves off and fight with the same viciousness as the right. No more p*ssy shyt, destroy their whole shyt.

 

[A Cop]

i guess bernie is stupid for telling you to vote for biden then

Some people are saying Bernie is too nice of a guy. Never went on the attack. And while that's true, it's also true that the media repeatedly compared him to Hitler anyway. If he'd been more aggressive they'd compare him to... Super Hitler, I guess?

 

[2Quik4UHoes]

The Tea Party was completely astroturfed. It was a GOP get-out-the-vote strategy. Would be nice if the Dems even bothered to try such a thing, though. I don't think paying Puff Daddy to say "VOTE OR DIE" was the move.

Good point, which would mean it would have to be more grassroots based. Not sure what rich special interests would even be willing to put the money up for something like that. I doubt rich liberals, at least most of them, would even go for it.

But an approach similar to that would be ideal. A third party would have to be more creative, innovative, more efficient with its resources, and more politically nimble than the big tent parties in order to offset their vast wealth advantage.

 

[A Cop]

They're admitting that Biden could do NOTHING and they'd still prefer him to Bernie.

We must have a bunch of Republicans on here.

Biden is not losing to Trump. As much as people HATED Hillary, she still got 3 million more voters than Trump. On top of that, Biden won't make the same mistake she made (ignoring the Midwest, Pennsylvania etc). If Biden was going against Bush, Romney, McCain etc., that's one thing. What can Trump say about Biden, that Biden couldn't turn around and throw right back on Trump?

The ONLY reason Trump could win is if a bunch of (young) "Liberals" want to see the world 'Bern' and think letting Trump win again will help their cause. That's short-term thinking that will get you a completely stacked Supreme Court, a bunch of conservative judges at every level, more gerrymandering and voter suppression etc.

Joe's job isn't to fix anything. He's there to slow/stop the bleeding, give the Dems a chance to catch their breath and then we can push for someone more effective to push stuff through. At his age, he's a one-term president. That's all we need from him. Not sure why anyone honestly thinks more Trump is good. And the idea that Bernie was going to beat Trump......... The Russians AND Trump wanted Bernie to win. If Bernie can't beat out Joe 'Da Rapeman' Biden, how the hell was he going to beat Trump?

 

[mr. smoke weed]

What stopped these voters from voting for Bernie in the primary?

Retweeting is easier than voting friend

 

[SunZoo]

Some people are saying Bernie is too nice of a guy. Never went on the attack. And while that's true, it's also true that the media repeatedly compared him to Hitler anyway. If he'd been more aggressive they'd compare him to... Super Hitler, I guess?

He stood by politely and let the media ignore him until they couldn't and then let them compare him to Hilter.

Trump earned the bulk of his media by shytting on them. Despite painting him as some sort of holy terror he doesn't have enough of a mean streak to do what needed to be done. What he had was celebrity, you can't just create that on the fly.

 

[New Jeruzalem Journalist]

He stood by politely and let the media ignore him until they couldn't and then let them compare him to Hilter.

Trump earned the bulk of his media by shytting on them. Despite painting him as some sort of holy terror he doesn't have enough of a mean streak to do what needed to be done. What he had was celebrity, you can't just create that on the fly.

Do cats really think Bernie is to blame for a corporate profit driven media distorting his message? He "let" the media call him Hitler, so it's his fault if people believed it? It was his fault that bytch sat in front of a primary debate and asked Warren what she felt when Bernie said a woman couldn't win 2 seconds after he vehemently denied saying it?

C'mon man. You dudes have to stop pretending that Bernie's demeanor was anywhere near the top reasons that lost him the candidacy. Had he cursed out every disingenuous fukk who ever penned a lying editorial about him or told MSNBC to go to hell, people would be blaming him when that blew up in his face for not trying to work within the constraints he already was placed in.

All Bernie having a "mean streak" would have accomplished is some small bit of gratification to his supporters of giving the finger to the establishment. He could have had more concise and strategic messaging to fight back against smears and lies, but you don't have to be a fire-breathing dragon to do that.

 

[New Jeruzalem Journalist]

I can see that, but this is why it would be best to start with the local and state elections first and slowly trickle upwards. To challenge the establishment head on is nearly futile as we’ve seen the past two election cycles. However, eroding their influence with their voter base slowly either forces them even more to the left in order to survive or allow that third party to eat away at their control.

Moreover, progressives at this point need to adopt the same uncompromising tone the tea party did. They started small and eventually swung the party further to the right. Progressives need to get off their high horse and wrestle in the mud with these creatures.

All of this largely become a moot point when you factor in the role of climate change. Biden will do absolutely nothing to curb fossil fuel usage. A progressive president was really the last hope of any meaningful action to address the fact that the planet will be uninhabitable pretty soon.

 

[A Cop]

Do cats really think Bernie is to blame for a corporate profit driven media distorting his message? He "let" the media call him Hitler, so it's his fault if people believed it? It was his fault that bytch sat in front of a primary debate and asked Warren what she felt when Bernie said a woman couldn't win 2 seconds after he vehemently denied saying it?

C'mon man. You dudes have to stop pretending that Bernie's demeanor was anywhere near the top reasons that lost him the candidacy. Had he cursed out every disingenuous fukk who ever penned a lying editorial about him or told MSNBC to go to hell, people would be blaming him when that blew up in his face for not trying to work within the constraints he already was placed in.

All Bernie having a "mean streak" would have accomplished is some small bit of gratification to his supporters of giving the finger to the establishment. He could have had more concise and strategic messaging to fight back against smears and lies, but you don't have to be a fire-breathing dragon to do that.

Agreed.

I believe they were never going to allow him to get the nomination no matter what he did. I believe they were definitely not going to let him into the White House. They meaning concentrated wealth and power. This one, singular, elderly Jewish man from humble ass Vermont frightened the powers that be so much that they were willing to let a demented, racist rapist go head to head with another demented, racist rapist in the most important competition on the planet.



Imagine if Bernie wasn't just one person. Imagine if he wasn't old. Imagine if he was all over the country.

You don't have to imagine. He already gave us the blueprint.

Not me. Us.









If the centrists who hate Bernie simply because they don't want their taxes to go up a little bit so poor people can have healthcare think this conflict is over because they've stopped one man, LOL. Just LOL. LMAO.

 

[SunZoo]

Do cats really think Bernie is to blame for a corporate profit driven media distorting his message? He "let" the media call him Hitler, so it's his fault if people believed it? It was his fault that bytch sat in front of a primary debate and asked Warren what she felt when Bernie said a woman couldn't win 2 seconds after he vehemently denied saying it?

C'mon man. You dudes have to stop pretending that Bernie's demeanor was anywhere near the top reasons that lost him the candidacy. Had he cursed out every disingenuous fukk who ever penned a lying editorial about him or told MSNBC to go to hell, people would be blaming him when that blew up in his face for not trying to work within the constraints he already was placed in.

All Bernie having a "mean streak" would have accomplished is some small bit of gratification to his supporters of giving the finger to the establishment. He could have had more concise and strategic messaging to fight back against smears and lies, but you don't have to be a fire-breathing dragon to do that.

That's not what I'm saying at all, but the media narrative is the biggest stick they have to swing and Trump was better able to control his narrative and earn media by calling them out. You know how frustrating it is to see somebody you ride for get bullied and not fight back? That's where my head is at. I'm saying at the very least, the next person who tries this is going to need pay attention to what walking on eggshells gets you. They were gonna and did distort his message and his image anyway, might as well have pointed out the bullshyt, even if you do it politely while your supporters get gas lit to all hell.

 

[Red Shield]

99% of the time this is true. Revolution is almost always bloody. But I kinda agree with Malcolm when he said this might be one of the only places ever in history where a bloodless revolution is possible.

With that said, I really hope Bernie cultivates the next crop of young progressive politicians on the backend. If he can’t win, he should at least work to build the progressive wing.

ehh really don't think so.. damn sure not in the usa

 

[Bunchy Carter]

Official Bernie Sanders 2024 HQ: 4/8/20 - The Third Time Is Charm


https://www.thecoli.com/threads/off...the-third-time-is-charm.771868/#post-37215837

 

[Reece]

To be honest, what we want is for more people to realize capitalism is the problem. Trump makes that a hell of a lot more obvious than Biden does. Another corporate Dem in the Oval Office serves to cloak the villain. Trump is mask off.

But I don't think 4 more years of Trump is actually bearable. And I doubt he wants to limit himself to just 4 more anyway. He wants to be a fascist dictator. And liberals' response to that is..... Joe Biden? LOL. LMAO.

That’s like shooting yourself in the head to show guns are bad. We are literally in the midst of the worst epidemic in decades because we have Trump in office, and Bernie Bros want to stay home and let this madman get re-elected to prove a point. This isn’t the Dark Knight and y’all not the Joker. This is real life. If the world burns down, you’re getting third degree burns too Such a sad group...y’all are the mirror image of Trump supporters. Both groups are cult like and identify so vehemently with “the politician/man” that you care more about what happens to him then you do about the objective itself because if you did, you would never allow Trump to waltz back into a second term. I wish I would care for a politician that much Y’all begging for someone to be sympathetic about being in debt or being underemployed but y’all are literally watching thousands of people dying everyday and your response is that people should’ve voted for your guy? fukk outta here.