Official Bernie Sanders HQ: Not Me, Us!

[ColdSlither]

To be honest, what we want is for more people to realize capitalism is the problem. Trump makes that a hell of a lot more obvious than Biden does. Another corporate Dem in the Oval Office serves to cloak the villain. Trump is mask off.

But I don't think 4 more years of Trump is actually bearable. And I doubt he wants to limit himself to just 4 more anyway. He wants to be a fascist dictator. And liberals' response to that is..... Joe Biden? LOL. LMAO.

Capitalism is a problem. But I will say this about conservatives. They have a plan, they groomed their youth 40 years ago, and they played the long game. The impression I get from a lot of people on the left, is that they want change right now. It’s like how when you tell a 20 year old, that if you want the house, the car, the good life, that you have to start putting in the work now. Then when you tell them that they won’t see the fruits of that labor until maybe their mid 30’s to 40’s, they get discouraged because they want to enjoy all of that when they’re “young”. And they end up never having shyt.

 

[2Quik4UHoes]

To be honest, what we want is for more people to realize capitalism is the problem. Trump makes that a hell of a lot more obvious than Biden does. Another corporate Dem in the Oval Office serves to cloak the villain. Trump is mask off.

But I don't think 4 more years of Trump is actually bearable. And I doubt he wants to limit himself to just 4 more anyway. He wants to be a fascist dictator. And liberals' response to that is..... Joe Biden? LOL. LMAO.

Thats basically how I feel. I don’t want Biden to win, and I don’t think we can withstand another trump term nor do I want that. But if Biden loses that could be the straw that broke the camel’s back and swing shyt far to the left.

I’m just not so sure that’s full proof simply because if Trump wins another term then a crazy precedent has been set that not only is this brand of statesman ok but re-electable. I’d say the Rethugs years of dismantling govt would finally be seeing it’s victory lap.

Very lowkey, the disenfranchisement feeling for some on the left plays into that process perfectly. The more govt looks inept, the less progressives/Dems come out, the more Rethugs win, the more govt is stylized to only cater to the interests of wealth, and the cycle goes on. It’s an extremely bitter pill to swallow nh, but we gotta vote Biden....

A progressive future might be more possible with a docile corporate Dem office rather than a more bold, more rabid, far right office.

 

[ColdSlither]

I was going to vote Green party as a protest vote against the Dem centrists, but Trump has proven with this crisis that he is an existential threat to the country as Bernie has often says. He needs to be removed from office.

It ain’t a game. Even without Trump, these conservatives have a game plan, and they’ve been playing the long game for 40 years. Brett Kavanaugh has been groomed to be exactly where he is at. So has a whole look them. I’m all for giving the fukk you to capitalism, but that will be the least of our worries, if Trump is re-elected, and these Republicans control Congress, and Ruth Bader Ginsburg dies.

 

[Arianne Martell]

so you're not serious about progressive policy at all which is fine. but any rational human being would know that biden in office for 4 years will accomplish more for you than trump will

it's the....reason bernie is telling you to vote for biden.

Is this your attempt at trying to pull at my heartstrings?

 

[Arianne Martell]

Lol, I don’t think they’ll push for progressive policies at all.

I just think that between the two they might be easier to work with. And even regressing back to the pre 2016 status quo is good because it at least stalls for time while a real progressive movement can be formed.

And again, if nothin else, at least it’d help keep the Supreme Court from becoming too conservative.

i do not trust them...see affordable healthcare act

 

[2Quik4UHoes]

i do not trust them...see affordable healthcare act

ACA was the moment I switched to independent. I felt like I got played by Obama. But again, that’s not the way to look at it. I’d much rather someone be a placemat over a dirty dog tearing up all the shoes in the house. Catch my drift? With a Biden, a real progressive movement can be developed in the same fashion these Rethugs have bred their acolytes throughout the years. That’s not predicated on Biden’s support, the development of a pro. movement depends on what they themselves do. With another Trump term, that puts progressives under constant duress and on the defensive fighting to keep their gains. And I cannot stress enough how important it is to not let the SCOTUS go too far right.

It’s a long term strategy breh, at this point if our generation wants what it wants we gotta learn how to make our own fire and fight they fire with it.

 

[the cac mamba]

Is this your attempt at trying to pull at my heartstrings?

im trying to understand how bernie suporters can be so full of shyt, after everything about 2016 was a massive failure and their plan is to do the same exact thing

unless you dont actually care about moving in a progressive direction which is fine

you looking forward to another kavanaugh? i dont understand

 

[Arianne Martell]

ACA was the moment I switched to independent. I felt like I got played by Obama. But again, that’s not the way to look at it. I’d much rather someone be a placemat over a dirty dog tearing up all the shoes in the house. Catch my drift? With a Biden, a real progressive movement can be developed in the same fashion these Rethugs have bred their acolytes throughout the years. That’s not predicated on Biden’s support, the development of a pro. movement depends on what they themselves do. With another Trump term, that puts progressives under constant duress and on the defensive fighting to keep their gains. And I cannot stress enough how important it is to not let the SCOTUS go too far right.

It’s a long term strategy breh, at this point if our generation wants what it wants we gotta learn how to make our own fire and fight they fire with it.

i get it, trust me. I did the same as you switched to independent Obama’s second term. I’m just tired of it all and I’m just going to focus on local movements...moving to DC I’ll like to make an impact there as I grow old.

 

[2Quik4UHoes]

i get it, trust me. I did the same as you switched to independent Obama’s second term. I’m just tired of it all and I’m just going to focus on local movements...moving to DC I’ll like to make an impact there as I grow old.

Plenty of communities in DC and the residing area getting the short end of the stick. So you’ll find plenty of work here. Lots of young organizers from all over set up shop here.

And I’m with you. I’m tired of it too. Fanon said it best that each generation had a destiny that it must choose to either fulfill or not fulfill. It’s become apparent that it’s going to be a long road but building something long lasting during that time ensures that the journey wasn’t in vain.

 

[the cac mamba]

free rep for any bernie supporter who quotes me and says what they like about brett kavanaugh, and why we should have one or two more of him

 

[Arianne Martell]

im trying to understand how bernie suporters can be so full of shyt, after everything about 2016 was a massive failure and their plan is to do the same exact thing

unless you dont actually care about moving in a progressive direction which is fine

you looking forward to another kavanaugh? i dont understand

Or like Democrats allowed McConnel to sit on Garland’s nomination for a year. These are the people you expect me to do the right thing? To fight far right ideologies? I know who the I’m dealing with i have no faith the Democrats will be able to accomplish anything or do anything for the people.

same for the Republicans

 

[A Cop]

A progressive future might be more possible with a docile corporate Dem office rather than a more bold, more rabid, far right office.

The problem is that the corporate Dem will tell the left, "Hey, knock if off, you're too extreme" and the moderates, centrists, and left-curious will be persuaded that this is correct. Consider Obama. He pretty much told the left to fukk off and Democrats love him.

With a right winger in office, the moderates will be scared enough to consider allying with the left.


In other words,

 

[A Cop]

free rep for any bernie supporter who quotes me and says what they like about brett kavanaugh, and why we should have one or two more of him

he reminds me that Joe Biden put Clarence Thomas on the supreme court

i'll take that rep now. i need it.

 

[2Quik4UHoes]

The problem is that the corporate Dem will tell the left, "Hey, knock if off, you're too extreme" and the moderates, centrists, and left-curious will be persuaded that this is correct. Consider Obama. He pretty much told the left to fukk off and Democrats love him.

With a right winger in office, the moderates will be scared enough to consider allying with the left.


In other words,

I can see that, but this is why it would be best to start with the local and state elections first and slowly trickle upwards. To challenge the establishment head on is nearly futile as we’ve seen the past two election cycles. However, eroding their influence with their voter base slowly either forces them even more to the left in order to survive or allow that third party to eat away at their control.

Moreover, progressives at this point need to adopt the same uncompromising tone the tea party did. They started small and eventually swung the party further to the right. Progressives need to get off their high horse and wrestle in the mud with these creatures.

 

[SubZeroDegrees]

ACA was the moment I switched to independent. I felt like I got played by Obama. But again, that’s not the way to look at it. I’d much rather someone be a placemat over a dirty dog tearing up all the shoes in the house. Catch my drift? With a Biden, a real progressive movement can be developed in the same fashion these Rethugs have bred their acolytes throughout the years. That’s not predicated on Biden’s support, the development of a pro. movement depends on what they themselves do. With another Trump term, that puts progressives under constant duress and on the defensive fighting to keep their gains. And I cannot stress enough how important it is to not let the SCOTUS go too far right.

It’s a long term strategy breh, at this point if our generation wants what it wants we gotta learn how to make our own fire and fight they fire with it.

I do agree a progressive movement can happen under Biden. Dem base doesn't want a compromise anymore. The freshmen class put their imprint on the party already.