Official Bernie Sanders HQ: Not Me, Us!

[tru_m.a.c]

no, bernie had a head start in having most of the progressive base, she was never going to break his hold, and biden shot up with a consolidate moderate vote + "momentum". and MA isn't at the end of the contest, knowing that someone won't be the nominee in a field of 3+ is different that knowing who will be the nominee when it's down to the final (legitimate) two. CA being in June means it's usually clear who the nominee is going to be, and it makes voting less pressing since you're unlikely to play any role in shifting the landscape

Bernie didn't "have" a head start. Liz Warren didn't want to run against Hillary. Bernie asked Liz to run. Progressive groups asked Liz to run. Liz said no and Bernie created a movement without her help.

Warren supporters are majority ex-Hillary and ex-Bernie supporters. I've dropped the voter % after each race. You're a person who sat out 2016 because you weren't excited about Hillary or Bernie, in a coalition of people who were excited about Hillary or Bernie. You don't see that the very foundation of the Warren 2020 experiment is a contradiction capped by it's own identity:
- You need to bring in new blood to grow the campaign, but those of you who sat out 2016 and the Hillary voters turn your nose up to movement politics. So every time Warren gets fiery she loses voters to moderates, and every time Warren mellows out she loses voters to Sanders.
- You need to bring in Hillary supporters but they prefer Biden as a person, but you can't attack them as sexist because you're playing the "unity candidate" role
- You need to bring in Sanders supporters but your campaign will never support universal policies since Warren is a capitalist and "unity candidate"

You never noticed that these 3 voter segments are fundamentally opposed to each other?

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

Bernie didn't "have" a head start. Liz Warren didn't want to run against Hillary. Bernie asked Liz to run. Progressive groups asked Liz to run. Liz said no and Bernie created a movement without her help.

Warren supporters are majority ex-Hillary and ex-Bernie supporters. I've dropped the voter % after each race. You're a person who sat out 2016 because you weren't excited about Hillary or Bernie, in a coalition of people who were excited about Hillary or Bernie. You don't see that the very foundation of the Warren 2020 experiment is a contradiction capped by it's own identity:
- You need to bring in new blood to grow the campaign, but those of you who sat out 2016 and the Hillary voters turn your nose up to movement politics. So every time Warren gets fiery she loses voters to moderates, and every time Warren mellows out she loses voters to Sanders.
- You need to bring in Hillary supporters but they prefer Biden as a person, but you can't attack them as sexist because you're playing the "unity candidate" role
- You need to bring in Sanders supporters but your campaign will never support universal policies since Warren is a capitalist and "unity candidate"

You never noticed that these 3 voter segments are fundamentally opposed to each other?

breh...how in the hell have you taken this from my post about about rhetoric to a conversation about warren and supporter segments? i'm not doing this. have a good day

 

[King Kreole]

there's nothing bernie can do at this point, in his effort to seek the nomination, that won't tear the party apart farther for what's sure to be a failed bid for the nomination he's attacking joe biden, who's our eventual nominee. it's just not helping anything

He's definitely between a rock and a hard place right now. He's put himself in a corner with his anti-establishment branding. He gambled it all on the youth vote and latino vote coming out in record numbers. That gamble appears to have failed, so the move he needs to make now - courting that same establishment he's been shytting on - is very difficult. It is what it is. Politics is a game of inches.

i wish they would just come to some kind of an agreement where bernie is the nominee if biden doesnt make it to november

 

[BillBanneker]

my comment was also about regular voters. the rhetoric of his campaign didn't/doesn't resonate with me - and probably others who found warren's messaging around fixing corruption and breaking the hold of corporatism to be more appealing. to me, that revolution/rage against the machine rhetoric has a cap, it worked for trump only because the republican alternatives refused to consolidate. to me, seems great to have that as your message in the three years followin the 2016 run to keep you base engaged, but at some point you have to broaden it to pull in folks who'd prefer "let's fix it" to "let's tear it down"

I'm not sure at this point (not being the clear cut nominee) that would help him. You're more attuned to Warren's message, but I think a lot of "regular" voters see her in the same vein, and didn't it really work for her when she scaled that back . You can only be the coalition candidate if everyone (media, party leaders) are at that point of seeing you in that position of being the undisputed front runner. And I think it's really not necessarily for the average voter (who's non committal) rather than political class in terms of importance, and can ever hurt if your base isn't strong enough. The average voter that isn't for Sanders, isn't just going to follow him now just cause he stops the "anti-establishment" rhetoric.

 

[King Kreole]

Bernie will compliment the governor

See, the move to make here is compliment the hell out of Whitmer and just try to forcefully co-opt her into his movement against her will. Bernie has to appear inevitable on some fake it till you make it shyt. He's doing it with Obama but it might be too late.

 

[afterlife2009]

The press conference Bernie just did was brutal. I'm not trying to doom and gloom but he looked sick and tired at the gotcha questions from the lyin news media. Bernie went over Biden's record and other things then said yes he'd campaign for Biden if he won.....yet Bernie is going to get blamed if Biden loses in November. We're getting Corbyn'd

The worst part is he said that Biden can win but we have the stronger campaign lol. I'm sorry but Bernie needs to flip it on them and say Biden is unelectable. Biden and everybody in Dem leaning media says Bernie is a communist, can't win and would hurt downballot races. Bernie is a nice guy (like Corbyn) but you're applying for the most powerful job in the world, you actually have to go on the attack and flip it on them.

CNN ran a segment a few hours ago with some pundit talking about Bernie could be "dividing the party" and then followed it up with Warren's Maddow appearance where she says Biden is a decent guy who wants the best for America. We're in high speed manufactured consent mode for Biden. We can't counter this narrative tbh. Institutional disadvantage

The only way we get out of this is by winning Michigan and in the 1-on-1 debate with Biden he completely flops when he has to speak for more than 2 minutes but he's been pretty untouchable. Not giving up but Biden has the media push he needs while the campaign can keep him hidden

 

[duncanthetall]

I know it doesn’t mean much, but I’ve seen a lot of prominent Warren supporters with decent followings on twitter that have announced they’re supporting and gonna campaign for Bernie now. Even the barbershop breh lol. Happy to see people out there who are able to get over it and fight for policies.

I feel like it would just be bad for her brand if she comes out and endorses Biden now. At least before it’s known 100% that he’s the nominee.

 

[goatmane]

Hopefully now that the debates are on on one, Biden completely meltsdown in them. Dude is going to have more speaking time and he's going against Sanders who will now be focusing all of his attention on Biden's weakness as a candidate. Just sucks there's no debate before next Tuesday's elections.

Of course Joe is gonna melt down. He looked bad when there was 6 other candidates on stage and he had plenty of time to think

And honestly, its gonna be sad. Never want to see a man become a prisoner of his own mind

 

[FAH1223]

The press conference Bernie just did was brutal. I'm not trying to doom and gloom but he looked sick and tired at the gotcha questions from the lyin news media. Bernie went over Biden's record and other things then said yes he'd campaign for Biden if he won.....yet Bernie is going to get blamed if Biden loses in November. We're getting Corbyn'd

The worst part is he said that Biden can win but we have the stronger campaign lol. I'm sorry but Bernie needs to flip it on them and say Biden is unelectable. Biden and everybody in Dem leaning media says Bernie is a communist, can't win and would hurt downballot races. Bernie is a nice guy (like Corbyn) but you're applying for the most powerful job in the world, you actually have to go on the attack and flip it on them.

CNN ran a segment a few hours ago with some pundit talking about Bernie could be "dividing the party" and then followed it up with Warren's Maddow appearance where she says Biden is a decent guy who wants the best for America. We're in high speed manufactured consent mode for Biden. We can't counter this narrative tbh. Institutional disadvantage

The only way we get out of this is by winning Michigan and in the 1-on-1 debate with Biden he completely flops when he has to speak for more than 2 minutes but he's been pretty untouchable. Not giving up but Biden has the media push he needs while the campaign can keep him hidden

Whats crazy is the media is gonna flip on Biden for ratings with the GOP witch hunt on Burisma and all that shid

 

[PoorAndDangerous]

Jimmy dore is so right about Bernie, Bernie needs to stop calling joe Biden his friend and all that shyt. He should’ve been going at his neck from the start. His campaign strategy is just wrong

 

[Wild self]

Of course Joe is gonna melt down. He looked bad when there was 6 other candidates on stage and he had plenty of time to think

And honestly, its gonna be sad. Never want to see a man become a prisoner of his own mind

And God forbid if Trump ever mocks Biden's slow ability.

 

[FAH1223]

Jimmy dore is so right about Bernie, Bernie needs to stop calling joe Biden his friend and all that shyt. He should’ve been going at his neck from the start. His campaign strategy is just wrong

@Skyfall ... Zaid now Monday Morning QBing

 

[afterlife2009]

@Skyfall ... Zaid now Monday Morning QBing

Zaid kills me with his random takes

Lis Smith definitely earned her paycheck but Pete had institutional support that the left doesn't get...David Axelrod was basically Pete's shadow campaign manager.

 

[Heelish]

I know it doesn’t mean much, but I’ve seen a lot of prominent Warren supporters with decent followings on twitter that have announced they’re supporting and gonna campaign for Bernie now. Even the barbershop breh lol. Happy to see people out there who are able to get over it and fight for policies.

My sister-in-law is a huge Warren supporter that used MSM points to shyt on Bernie said she’s on “the Bernie bus” yesterday after Warren dropped out and said she would cop a tee. It’s a positive sign.

 

[StatUS]

@Skyfall ... Zaid now Monday Morning QBing

Zaid: Bernie's campaign should have drafted Jordan instead of Hakeem. In my hindsight view 6 championships are better than 2.