Official Bernie Sanders HQ: Not Me, Us!

[DEAD7]

Bernie Bros still at work undermining the reparations conversation...


Imagine being black and supporting Bernie when pro reparation candidates are also pushing for M4A and a living wage...
The plantation exposal is real.


edit: Just read his position on Venezuela Oh my...

 

[Copy Ninja]

This election will be decided by PA, MI, OH, WI. You gotta get votes from working class white voters to win those states. Otherwise, it's another 4 years of Trump. That's reality.

Reparation platform is not going to play well in those states. He gotta get their votes somehow.

 

[Genos]

Has any other candidate talked about redlining besides Bernie? Imo that's one of the biggest hurdles for black communities because whites own the housing markets and houses dont hold as much value until whites move in. Whites rigged the system to benefit them to where the biggest piece of wealth most people have is worth more because they are white/and or live around white people.

 

[intra vires]

Has any other candidate talked about redlining besides Bernie? Imo that's one of the biggest hurdles for black communities because whites own the housing markets and houses dont hold as much value until whites move in. Whites rigged the system to benefit them to where the biggest piece of wealth most people have is worth more because they are white/and or live around white people.

 

[A.R.$]

Name them.

1. When he mention the policies he supports he need to explain how they will help Black people as a whole. For Example: when he say he supports the Green New Deal, he should state Black people will have an specific opportunity to get trained in these jobs. He does this when he talks about the mainly White Coal Workers in West Virginia. He also does this when he talking to the White worker class as a whole. He should also make a commitment to put Flint and other Black communities a top priority when it comes to environmental cleanups.
2. Don’t just say you support criminal justice reform. Trump actually signed weak criminal justice reform into law. Give me specifics. Ex: Are you going to push to make cash bail illegal? What about the problem of police brutality? Do you have a plan for that?
3. Reparations: there many different ways he could do reparations. He mentioned redlining but gave no solution to the problem. He could easily push for a program that give Black home owners grants to remodel their homes to help combat the property value lose Black home owners endured because of redlining. Along with that he could push for federal grants that help Black oriole with buying homes. This is just one idea. It doesn’t have to be direct check, and he doesn’t even have to call it reparations.
4. I can name several other examples but I think you get the point. A lot of Black people (including myself) what to me sure we are not a afterthought when he pushes for these programs. Bernie needs to make us believe that he has an understanding of issues that effect us. I don’t dislike Bernie and I support a lot of his proposals, but we can no longer let politicians get away with treating us as afterthoughts. This apply to every candidate that is running.

 

[Pressure]

 

[SirReginald]

 

[Pressure]

3. Reparations: there many different ways he could do reparations. He mentioned redlining but gave no solution to the problem. He could easily push for a program that give Black home owners grants to remodel their homes to help combat the property value lose Black home owners endured because of redlining. Along with that he could push for federal grants that help Black oriole with buying homes. This is just one idea. It doesn’t have to be direct check, and he doesn’t even have to call it reparations.

But that's now how redlining works. The laws don't say, "don't give loans to poor blacks. Only give them to poor whites."

Instead they pick areas that are disproportionately black and did not allow them HOLC mortgage lending.

Even today we can see this where areas are withheld services in disproportionately black or mintory areas.

So any law that offsets these issues would have to operate the same way.

The problem is, if you attack a law based on its racism, when offering redress you lose the ability to use the same surgical precision in crafting beneficial laws going forward.

I.e. To say that if we attack gerrymandering for in NC due to his surgically precise attack on blacks after you receive a ruling you can't go back and flip the script so that it does the exact opposite - - the judge will rule against you there as well for the same reasons.

 

[FAH1223]

Whoever the Dem nominee is, Wisconsin is a huge opportunity

The DNC should have the Convention there

 

[SirReginald]

Whoever the Dem nominee is, Wisconsin is a huge opportunity

The DNC should have the Convention there

It doesn't even have to be Bernie (I want it to be), but if the Democratics don't run a truly Progressive candidate who can help working class Whites, POC, and African-Americans they'll lose 2020. Third Way Centrism/Neo-Liberalism is athing of the past and Americans have been burnt out from it.

 

[A.R.$]

But that's now how redlining works. The laws don't say, "don't give loans to poor blacks. Only give them to poor whites."

Instead they pick areas that are disproportionately black and did not allow them HOLC mortgage lending.

Even today we can see this where areas are withheld services in disproportionately black or mintory areas.

So any law that offsets these issues would have to operate the same way.

The problem is, if you attack a law based on its racism, when offering redress you lose the ability to use the same surgical precision in crafting beneficial laws going forward.

I.e. To say that if we attack gerrymandering for in NC due to his surgically precise attack on blacks after you receive a ruling you can't go back and flip the script so that it does the exact opposite - - the judge will rule against you there as well for the same reasons.

You can definitely pass bills to target specific members of society. It is just in the wording. A lot of laws get attached to bigger bills. And the idea I proposed wasn’t doing the exact opposite of redlining. It is not saying you have to put white people in certain areas. Along with redling Black people have had a harder time getting loans from banks even with good credit compared to whites. You can definitely make funds available to Black people through grants. In my local area we had the first time home buyers grant. It wasn’t specifically for Black people but Black people was encouraged to apply. I received a $16,000 home grant.

 

[Pressure]

You can definitely pass bills to target specific members of society. It is just in the wording. A lot of laws get attached to bigger bills. And the idea I proposed wasn’t doing the exact opposite of redlining. It is not saying you have to put white people in certain areas. Along with redling Black people have had a harder time getting loans from banks even with good credit compared to whites. You can definitely make funds available to Black people through grants. In my local area we had the first time home buyers grant. It wasn’t specifically for Black people but Black people was encouraged to apply. I received a $16,000 home grant.

And a fundamental aspect of passing laws that discriminatively target specific people is not publicly saying these large are intended to only affect these people.

 

[A.R.$]

And a fundamental aspect of passing laws that discriminatively target specific people is not publicly saying these large are intended to only affect these people.

Ok....
I’m not sure how that apply to anything I said.

 

[afterlife2009]

so you're telling me these weren't random voters. one working at think tanks

interesting thread

 

[FAH1223]

so you're telling me these weren't random voters. one working at think tanks

:bernielaugh: Wolf's follow ups also were coordinated

so clear

Also, when they asked Bernie why he didn't do more for Hillary, he got pretty defensive and even said Hillary sent me a thank you letter for all the events he did for her in Fall 2016. He took that personally.