Official Bernie Sanders HQ: Not Me, Us!

[gangreen]

Populism is on the rise all over the world particular in the West due to failure of Neo-Liberal policies. You can either choose to live by left wing populism or die by right wing populism.

No room for these status quo estasblishment politics lately u say

 

[King Kreole]

Nina Turner as VP huh...

y'all really trying to make it hard as possible for the professional/academic/Warren left to get on board

 

[storyteller]

This new idpol left is gonna kill us

The whole thing is dumb... someone on her staff clearly ran to a reporter with it, which is concerning. The entire Justice Dems left was hyped when Kirsten Gillibrand was the first to call for Abolishing ICE and they said bernie needs to take this position...which is funny cause Kirsten was one of the most conservative on the border a decade ago.

AOC needs to get these libs out of her staff but like I said she's apart of this new left that's incoherent. It's not that I don't disagree with abolishing ICE, it's just we all know it could kill Bernie in a general. My guess is that Bernie and his team saw that he needed the AOC/Justice Dems support to survive Warren's rise. That being said there's only so much juelizing you can put on having halt all deportations on your issues page

I don't think there's a thing wrong with Abolishing ICE besides the fact that we have to combat the misrepresentations about it. It gets conflated with Open Borders too often, when there's more to it than that. I'd compare it to how they went and tried to flip the script on Black Lives Matter to make it sound like only black lives matter was the point when it obviously wasn't. A moratorium on deportations while they abolish ICE and shift responsibilities to other governmental bodies just makes sense to me.

I do agree with your overall point that the super purist types are overdoing it. So don't get me wrong on that end, people taking it too far risk screwing up opportunities to create allies and craft a movement where people are more comfortable talking about subjects they don't understand in a more inquisitive manner. I think these folks assume bad faith automatically and that's more a result of dealing with the online dog whistle red pill gang too much rather than having real world conversations with every day people.

But I really don't want to see Abolish ICE paired up with the cancel culture crew. The Joe Rogan stuff is complicated in that, I understand why people who have only seen clips of his worst comments would find it hard to accept him. But I really think he should be the example of how there a people that would be open to discussions about these topics and to evolving on them as long as we don't immediately jump to attack them but instead aim to respectfully inform them...and if they cling to ignorance than we can shift to being mean later

 

[storyteller]

They're so outta pocket that they're flipping undecided voters to Bernie's team in real time on the air .

 

[gangreen]

You guys think if Bernie gets the nomination, he would pick Klobuchar as the VP to shore up that Minnesota, Michigan and Wisconsin vote plus to get a women as number 2 or u think Bernie is gonna pick a progressive?

 

[SunZoo]

You guys think if Bernie gets the nomination, he would pick Klobuchar as the VP to shore up that Minnesota, Michigan and Wisconsin vote plus to get a women as number 2 or u think Bernie is gonna pick a progressive?

He said his preference is a strong, probably female progressive.

 

[SunZoo]

Nina Turner as VP huh...

y'all really trying to make it hard as possible for the professional/academic/Warren left to get on board

If Bernie get's the nom, are the professional/academic/Warren people going to vote for Trump? Third party? Stay home?




Unlikely.

And if they do either of those options, especially because of Nina being at his side rather than they were probably going to do that anyway and should probably fukk off.

 

[afterlife2009]

I don't think there's a thing wrong with Abolishing ICE besides the fact that we have to combat the misrepresentations about it. It gets conflated with Open Borders too often, when there's more to it than that. I'd compare it to how they went and tried to flip the script on Black Lives Matter to make it sound like only black lives matter was the point when it obviously wasn't. A moratorium on deportations while they abolish ICE and shift responsibilities to other governmental bodies just makes sense to me.

I do agree with your overall point that the super purist types are overdoing it. So don't get me wrong on that end, people taking it too far risk screwing up opportunities to create allies and craft a movement where people are more comfortable talking about subjects they don't understand in a more inquisitive manner. I think these folks assume bad faith automatically and that's more a result of dealing with the online dog whistle red pill gang too much rather than having real world conversations with every day people.

But I really don't want to see Abolish ICE paired up with the cancel culture crew. The Joe Rogan stuff is complicated in that, I understand why people who have only seen clips of his worst comments would find it hard to accept him. But I really think he should be the example of how there a people that would be open to discussions about these topics and to evolving on them as long as we don't immediately jump to attack them but instead aim to respectfully inform them...and if they cling to ignorance than we can shift to being mean later

I'm actually concerned about AOC, it's not good to have DC lib brain infected people on your staff but I think she's even partially infected herself. This is a general election for president, not a DSA chapter election where forgetting to use pronouns means you're cancelled

It's comedy watching the ultra woke Russiagate Democrats who have attacked Bernie for years for supposedly not embracing intersectionality and whined about the Rogan tweet justify their support for Bloomberg

If Bernie Sanders was in his 30's at this moment in time he would have been cancelled by the Justice Dems left who would have worked overtime to destroy his political ambitions

 

[SunZoo]

 

[King Kreole]

If Bernie get's the nom, are the professional/academic/Warren people going to vote for Trump? Third party? Stay home?




Unlikely.

And if they do either of those options, especially because of Nina being at his side rather than they were probably going to do that anyway and should probably fukk off.

Bernie's theory of change means that just winning the election isn't enough. He needs mass mobilization and civic engagement from millions of people during his entire time in office. So sure, they'll vote for him, but are they going to rally and march on Capitol Hill for him? Are they going to vote to primary Cory Booker and Kamala Harris for him? If you don't do any outreach to this wing of the left, they're not going to go the extra mile that Bernie needs them to go.

I'm concerned that a lot of Bernie supporters and the left are so addicted to being losers that they don't actually know how to govern. A lot of these people would rather sit on twitter and complain about the libs and cook up DNC conspiracy theories than actually create the coalitions needed to govern and enact progressive change. Social media has really fukked up our politics and culture.

 

[SunZoo]

Bernie's theory of change means that just winning the election isn't enough. He needs mass mobilization and civic engagement from millions of people during his entire time in office. So sure, they'll vote for him, but are they going to rally and march on Capitol Hill for him? Are they going to vote to primary Cory Booker and Kamala Harris for him? If you don't do any outreach to this wing of the left, they're not going to go the extra mile that Bernie needs them to go.

I'm concerned that a lot of Bernie supporters and the left are so addicted to being losers that they don't actually know how to govern. A lot of these people would rather sit on twitter and complain about the libs and cook up DNC conspiracy theories than actually create the coalitions needed to govern and enact progressive change. Social media has really fukked up our politics and culture.

Seems to me if Nina Turner is the deal breaker for this mass moblization they weren't really gung ho to mobilize in the first place.

So outside of plucking Klobuchar or Warren from the senate, or having Barbara Lee, (who could be taking Pelosi's place) as the oldest VP in history to the oldest president in history...who do you think would be a better alternative to appeal to the professional wing of the party?

 

[NkrumahWasRight Is Wrong]

Seems to me if Nina Turner is the deal breaker for this mass moblization they weren't really gung ho to mobilize in the first place.

So outside of plucking Klobuchar or Warren from the senate, or having Barbara Lee, (who could be taking Pelosi's place) asthe oldest VP in history to the oldest president in history...who do you think would be a better alternative to appeal to the professional wing of the party?

Pressley is with warrens campaign

Shed be a better pick than turner

 

[SunZoo]

Pressley is with warrens campaign

Shed be a better pick than turner

I disagree, but why do you think so?

 

[duncanthetall]

Pressley is with warrens campaign

Shed be a better pick than turner

I like Pressley but her energy does not match Bernie’s campaign. Completely different.

But I would approve and I would like it. She carries herself with a presidential sort of grace already.

 

[tru_m.a.c]