Official Bernie Sanders HQ: Not Me, Us!

[the cac mamba]

Democrats concerned about national security and a robust foreign policy (something he vastly underdeveloped in 2016) should not vote for Bernie Sanders.

interesting. kind of like how democrats concerned with winning in 2016 shouldnt have voted for hillary clinton

and all kidding aside, fukk a robust foreign policy. that's just code word for giving the pentagon a blank check, you fukking chicken hawk

 

[88m3]

Hillary shouldn't have lost period. Losing the Blue Wall requires no excuses

All those in midwest wanted nothing to do with her. .

only relevant if you ignore everything we've learned the last several years


This isn't a thread on Hillary's presidential bid btw.

 

[Dr. Acula]

Its not 2012.

So what? Maybe the objection here is that there is a policy of constant hostilities and provocations through American foreign policy. This isn't to say other countries don't do wrong, especially Russia, but the initial purpose of NATO was a counter to the Soviet Union and the Warsaw Pact. Now, NATO is viewed as simply being anti-Russia and for what purpose instead of a cooperative relationship like Obama ran on during his first and second campaigns which was part of his appeal and also the cause of disappointments for folks when he decided he wanted to get involved in Regime change game. Trump was scoring points off of Hillary Clinton who was advocating no-fly zones in Syria when most people think we shouldn't be there. You dismiss this as the people not know what is good for them but you at the same time whine when you lost elections when rightly people don't view politicians as acting in their interests and instead of those of the "establishment" class.

The fact that, unsurprisingly to anyone with a brain, Trump is dishonest and a liar and looking to be more imperialistic in South America doesn't change the fact that fatigue over our actions for almost 2 decades exists in the public and that hasn't changed much. Folks such as yourself and those obsessed with the daily Russia melodrama related to Trump are so invested in the emotional satisfaction that caring about that shyt to the degree you do that you're wanting possible war over it. But like @the cac mamba said, most people don't give a fukk about this shyt and your type exist in an echo chamber that exists outside of the political desires of most of the public.

It will be interesting during the debates if the Venezuela issue is still around who advocates Trump's action despite hating Trump so much and who doesn't. I'm willing to bet your girl Kamala cosigns and your arch-nemesis Bernie Sanders and even Tulsi Gabbard are the few dissenting voices in the crowd. The public will see who continues to be establishment whores and who actually advocates changing course. I'd be happy to be proven wrong but the style of politics practiced by folks like Kamala doesn't tell me she will buck the trend here.

 

[Canon]

lets do this

 

[Copy Ninja]

The way the left media has mobilized against Bernie is

Colbert Trolls 'Old White Guy' Bernie Sanders Over Tone-Deaf Diversity Comments

They won't make this easy on him.

 

[Secure Da Bag]

The way the left media has mobilized against Bernie is

Colbert Trolls 'Old White Guy' Bernie Sanders Over Tone-Deaf Diversity Comments

They won't make this easy on him.

Is the mainstream media really the left media? MSM is left-of-center/centrist. TYT is left media. Nitpicking, but whatever. I agree.

 

[Copy Ninja]

Is the mainstream media really the left media? MSM is left-of-center/centrist. TYT is left media. Nitpicking, but whatever. I agree.

HuffPost and Colbert are about as liberal on the surface as it gets. They are not extreme left like Alex Jones and Breitbert are to the right but they're more left than middle in my opinion.

It's just interesting how the left is clearly divided on where they think this country should go and which candidates they are backing. There's the Bernie camp and Kamala seems like she's the centrist candidate established liberals are going to push.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

See guys. They wanted this smoke. Bernie is going to get vetted in a way he NEVER has before.

Lets see if he breaks. Hopefully that same standard will show him how heavy that crown really is.




Opinion | Bernie Sanders had it easy in 2016. That won't happen in 2020.

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Opinion | Bernie Sanders had it easy in 2016. That won't happen in 2020.
Zac Petkanas
6-8 minutes
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Feb. 20, 2019, 4:35 AM EST

By Zac Petkanas, president, Petkanas Strategies LLC and a former senior aide to Hillary Clinton

The ultimate problem that Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., faces right now, after announcing his intention to again seek the Democratic Party's nomination for president, is that Democratic voters aren’t fully aware of his record — yet.

That may seem counterintuitive after the rough 2016 primary and his supporters' blanketing of social media. But, in truth, the 2016 Clinton campaign never named him in a single negative television or digital ad. And the media never truly educated the primary voting public with the intensity reserved for candidates seen as viable: His underdog status protected him then, but he won’t have that this time around.

There were, of course, numerous news stories that covered Sanders’ positions throughout the campaign, in between the obsessive coverage detailing the gritty ins and outs of the latest in the Clinton email scandal. A study from Harvard's Shorenstein Center on Media, Politics and Public Policy suggests as much: Only seven percent of his coverage was about his policies, but 83 percent of that was positive, whereas 28 percent of Clinton's coverage was policy-based and 84 percent of that was negative.

"Journalists," the study said "made more references to her past history than they did to those of other candidates and focused on the negative."

They did not do the same with Sanders’ gun safety record or his reluctance, until recently, to embrace marriage equality.

If Sanders’ team of consultants gave him some honest advice about what the 2020 election will be like, they’ll have told him it will be much harder than his experience in 2016 — both because he won't be facing Clinton, and because the differences between his policies and those of others in the field won't be as distinct.

So, while in 2016 he cultivated a reputation around popular left-wing positions like Medicare-for-All and free college, the broader embrace of those issues in the Democratic party means that his opponents in a second presidential campaign will inevitably address his lesser-known and decidedly less progressive record on the issues that cut directly against his liberal brand.

For example, many Democratic voters may now be surprised to learn that Sanders opposed a staggering number of gun safety measures throughout his career. He voted five times against the Brady Bill, a common-sense measure mandating a waiting period and background check before purchasing firearms. Rather than apologize, his 2016 campaign doubled down: His top aide, Jeff Weaver, characterized the Brady Bill, in Politifact’s words, a "federal overreach."

When that didn’t silence the criticism, the Sanders team pointed to the senator’s support for a substitute amendment implementing “instant” background checks instead. What they didn’t say was that the National Rifle Association actually backed that amendment as a sneaky way to neuter the larger bill; technology didn’t exist in the early 1990s to perform the “instant" checks the amendment demanded.

But Sanders’ gun votes don’t end there: He voted to allow firearms on Amtrak trains; he voted to create what is now called “Charleston loophole” that allowed Dylann Roof to obtain the weapon used to murder nine African-Americans in a Charleston church in June 2015. He even voted repeatedly against holding gun manufacturers liable for the destruction caused by their products, which was strange because he supported similar consumer protection measures for other industries, like food manufacturers.

Still, he felt so strongly about protecting the gun industry from lawsuits that he actually defended his votes on the campaign trail before being forced to flip flop.

Democratic voters who listened to his relentless attacks on Clinton (who wasn’t even in Congress at the time) over the 1994 Crime Bill — which was partially responsible for the mass incarceration crisis facing our country — might also be shocked to learn that Sanders voted for it. The excuses for his vote were pathetic: His supporters pointed to the fact that he gave a strongly-worded speech condemning aspects of the bill before casting a vote in favor of it.

This team also claimed that he gave his support because it included other provisions that he liked, an explanation that is undermined every time he cites smaller objections as a reason to vote against other large pieces of legislation — like when he voted to tank Sen. Ted Kennedy’s comprehensive immigration reform bill in 2007 by citing the inclusion of a guest worker program.

During the 2016 campaign, he claimed to oppose the included guest worker program because it was akin to “slavery.” But in a video of Sanders, later revealed, trashing the legislation on anti-immigrant Lou Dobbs’ TV show, he never likened the guest worker program to slavery. Nor did he make that argument when he voted for a similar program in 2013. Instead he made a nativist argument about how the legislation would reduce wages for Americans by bringing in low-wage temporary workers.

But there’s more that Democratic primary voters won’t like.

He will have to explain his wishy-washy past on same sex marriage: Until 2009, he said it was a matter for the states to decide, and even told a reporter in 2006 that Vermont should not pursue it at all.

And he’ll need a better explanation, post-#MeToo, for his disturbing 70s-era essay about rape fantasies and what it means about his attitude towards women. (That is especially true in light of the allegations of sexual harassment at his campaign offices, the resulting $30,000 settlement and his initial cavalier response that he was too “busy” to intervene in the culture of misconduct at his operation.)

Nor will he be able tell his critics to lay off their critiques for the sake of unity, especially given that his supporters are already in full-blown attack mode tearing down other candidates.

It's clear that the Democratic Party should be grateful that Sanders helped move the conversation to the left on issues like health care and education during the 2016 primary and in the years since. However, it is difficult to see how he surmounts his more conservative record on other key issues when there are so many progressive candidates to choose from who are espousing similar policies — and when Hillary Clinton is not on the ballot to kick around.

Zac Petkanas is a Democratic strategist, the president of Petkanas Strategies LLC and a former senior aide to Hillary Clinton’s 2016 campaign

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[FAH1223]

 

[Paper Boi]

please get this autistic fukk out the paint.

 

[dh86]

You centrist pieces of shyt gonna be MAD when AOC endorses Bernie and hands him the nomination

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

You centrist pieces of shyt gonna be MAD when AOC endorses Bernie and hands him the nomination

Is everyone not named sanders a centrist?

 

[Ya' Cousin Cleon]

no

but centrists are 10x more worthless than he is.

Is everyone not named sanders a centrist?

 

[the cac mamba]

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]