for once a rational centrist.So a moderate or centrist democrat would get things done in a non filibuster proof and non democratic super majority in this climate.Or are you forgetting what happened to Obama for six years with his legislative goals when he lost the house and then the Senate.
Any Democrat that wins the presidency without a democratic congress in 2020 will be a do nothing president in this hyper partisan climate.
It's about electability. I'm a left leaning centrist and I'm trying to beat Trump definitively. I know that the progressives have the juice to beat Trump definitively.
U haven't learned anything from the past three presidential election? I know that if you rolling out another moderate establishment type bore fest. U giving Trump a better shot at winning re election.
A populist campaign proposing real change is the best shot at beating Trump in 2020. U need to energize everyone in the democratic base.
2016 was a rebuke by americans that they are tired of the establishment politics of both parties. The republicans rolled out a populist Trump and the democrats rolled out an establishment moderate Clinton. Loom wat happened.
In 2008, Obama ran a populist campaign of ending the war, healthcare reform and complete opposition to establishment politics on both sides and the clinton machine and never looked back from the primaries to the general election.
On the other side In 2012, the republicans rolled out establishment Romney and looked what happened to him against the incumbent Obama.
Even in 1992, Clinton ran a populist campaign
championing the need for public investment to create jobs and universal health care and
beat the incumbent Bush 43 and then moved to Center.
The evidence is right there.you gotta inspire people to vote and Bernie has had steady and real support since 2015.
This is the year to run a progressive as the presidential nominee for the democratic party. They tipped the scales for Hillary in 2016 and it led to disaster.
If Bernie or Warren wins Iowa and/or New Hampshire, u cant deny that the juice is with the progressives and you just take a step back, vote and watch.
They likely wont get things done in the presidency given the climate and the unlikely super majority congress in 2020 but I'm confident they will beat Trump, Sanders moreso (since he is more likeable than Warren), than Biden, Bloomberg and Buttigieg.
I was looking for Beto to start a moderate populist campaign with young voters and Hispanics but he imploded. Buttigieg was the last shot at a populist campaign from the moderates but it looks like he has no juice.
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PoorAndDangerous
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Rogan is pro gay though lol people say he’s “transphobic” because he doesn’t think male to female trans people should be competing in women’s combat sports, which is completely reasonable.
Elim Garak
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Lmao most of this applies to all the candidates hell Obama couldn't get his way with super majorities the other shyt the other poster already addressed if he gets even some of this shyt done it's way better than where we are.
we really havent gotten anything done in 40 years but people want to be like "why choose the guy thats going to try?!" he'll never get it done, as if these muther fukkers get it done, the biggest failures , if he gets 10 percent done its a big win imo
So a moderate or centrist democrat would get things done in a non filibuster proof and non democratic super majority in this climate.
Any Democrat that wins the presidency without a democratic congress in 2020 will be a do nothing president in this hyper partisan climate.
It's about electability. I'm a left leaning centrist and I'm trying to beat Trump definitively. I know that the progressives have the juice to beat Trump definitively.
U haven't learned anything from the past three presidential election? I know that if you rolling out another moderate establishment type bore fest. U giving Trump a better shot at winning re election.
A populist campaign proposing real change is the best shot at beating Trump in 2020. U need to energize everyone in the democratic base.
2016 was a rebuke by americans that they are tired of the establishment politics of both parties. The republicans rolled out a populist Trump and the democrats rolled out an establishment moderate Clinton. Loom wat happened.
In 2008, Obama ran a populist campaign of ending the war, healthcare reform and complete opposition to establishment politics on both sides and the clinton machine and never looked back from the primaries to the general election.
On the other side In 2012, the republicans rolled out establishment Romney and looked what happened to him against the incumbent Obama.
Even in 1992, Clinton ran a populist campaign
championing the need for public investment to create jobs and universal health care and
beat the incumbent Bush 43 and then moved to Center.
The evidence is right there.you gotta inspire people to vote and Bernie has had steady and real support since 2015.
This is the year to run a progressive as the presidential nominee for the democratic party. They tipped the scales for Hillary in 2016 and it led to disaster.
If Bernie or Warren wins Iowa and/or New Hampshire, u cant deny that the juice is with the progressives and you just take a step back, vote and watch
They likely wont get things done in the presidency given the climate and the unlikely super majority congress in 2020 but I'm confident they will beat Trump, Sanders moreso (since he is more likeable than Warren), than Biden, Bloomberg and Buttigieg.
I was looking for Beto to start a moderate populist campaign with young voters and Hispanics but he imploded. Buttigieg was the last shot at a populist campaign from the moderates but it looks like he has no juice.
It's insane how people are saying we should run a safe, moderate establishment candidate after the debacle of 2016.
Elim Garak
Veteran
Exactly and he knows that he just wants a wack ass establishment candidate.
Elim Garak
Veteran
Yeah I don't get it some are still sleep but after that Trump win alot of people woke up also so.It's insane how people are saying we should run a safe, moderate establishment candidate after the debacle of 2016.
AnonymityX1000
Veteran
Yeah, I am one. I liked Bernie but I supported Hillary and because I'm doing OK I was fine with the status quo. Trump winning was definitely a wake up call. Coupled with the media having no clue it was possible. I felt dumb not knowing he could win.
The US not having universal health care in 2020 has to be the biggest scam ever. How people fall for all the talk about how hard it is etc. is just weird. They are gaming all of us, seriously wake the fukk up.
Hillary was a terrible candidate and still got more votesIt's insane how people are saying we should run a safe, moderate establishment candidate after the debacle of 2016.
With trump Now tarnished and most of the public wanting to see him ousted, I don’t think your comparison is accurate.
The Obama did nothing train is really full steam in this thread.
Not gonna defend him.
It’s just crazy to see both sides of the isle shyt on the man when he was the easily the best president we’ve had in a looooong time.
Not gonna defend him. It’s just crazy to see both sides of the isle shyt on the man when he was the easily the best president we’ve had in a looooong time.
Elim Garak
Veteran
Of course he was the best president in awhile. He presented himself as progressive but in reality he was a moderate corporatist we tired of that shyt in general nothing against Obama really.The Obama did nothing train is really full steam in this thread.
It’s just crazy to see both sides of the isle shyt on the man when he was the easily the best president we’ve had in a looooong time.
The Obama did nothing train is really full steam in this thread.
It’s just crazy to see both sides of the isle shyt on the man when he was the easily the best president we’ve had in a looooong time.
Obama was a great president given what he inherited and had to deal with, but Bernie and his policies are the next logical step after Obama. I see Obama's presidency as a paving of the way for the progressive policies proposed by Bernie.
