Official Bernie Sanders HQ: Not Me, Us!

[storyteller]

The Obama did nothing train is really full steam in this thread.


Not gonna defend him.
It’s just crazy to see both sides of the isle shyt on the man when he was the easily the best president we’ve had in a looooong time.

I mean we can both acknowledge that Obama was the best president of our lifetimes and point out that he faced unprecedented obstruction and then had a number of his most recognized moves undone within the next president’s first term. The Iran accords, TPP and DACA all flopped; he was forced to concede a Supreme Court seat and some darker aspects of his legacy (deportations and using imminent threat more liberally for drone strikes) have been used to excuse current administrative abuses of authority.

None of this changes the fact that he moved us forward on healthcare, ended the recession and left office respected globally and appreciated nationally. He did a good job given the constraints he faced. But it’s fairly obvious that he got blanked on certain legislative goals regardless of whether you blame the republicans entirely, Obama’s administration or put it as a mix of both.

and once we accept the fact that he faced a ton of obstruction that severely limited his impact (again a positive impact nonetheless); the idea that Bernie’s not going to accomplish much stops looking like some unique problem only his platform is facing. I kept trying to hammer that home on Warren’s public option vs going for single payer. No matter what path the next president chooses, they will face intense obstruction. So the bold approach being treated as unrealistic while pretending the incremental approach won’t face similar obstruction is a pipe dream just as much as believing Bernie will get everything he promises done.

Every president is gonna have to compromise point blank. Obama was forced to and it kept him from having an even bigger impact. The next president will face those same obstacles as well whether they try to be moderate or progressive. Bernie has a different approach which may or may not be more effective. Everyone has looked at ways around obstruction (see the American prospect’s day one agenda series for details). But the obstruction is coming regardless of who wins.

 

[wtfyomom]

Obama being the best president doesn’t mean much to me cause I don’t think we’ve ever had what could be considered a good president. You do drone bombing and are a puppet of Wall Street you’re not a good president just by being better than the normal garbage. He was still a neoliberal centrist at the end of the day, you want to say I’m too stringent cool but That’s what i think , super majority and he didn’t even TRY to get single payer foh

 

[wtfyomom]

Been all downhill since Reagan imo

 

[afterlife2009]

After that will be, “two intelligence sources tell the Washington Post they’ve found 60 accounts on Twitter sowing discord between Bernie and Warren. They’ve also found Russian accounts retweeted Bernie and one staffer liked a Russian account posing as a Bernie fan. He must drop out”

lol right on time. posting on social media = you're a russian bot

 

[FAH1223]

Bernie stuck in DC, calling into his own rally

 

[FAH1223]

 

[OfTheCross]

 

[FAH1223]

Bernie:
“You seen the latest polls right? How am I doing?”

Norah: (silence)

 

[wtfyomom]

So tired of the bernie bro narrative, some Asian dude was on msnbc crying that “Bernie bro’s “ are targeting women and people of color online , no the fukk they aren’t. This idea that Bernie supporters online are unique is such bullshyt

 

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[AnonymityX1000]

So tired of the bernie bro narrative, some Asian dude was on msnbc crying that “Bernie bro’s “ are targeting women and people of color online , no the fukk they aren’t. This idea that Bernie supporters online are unique is such bullshyt

Now think of this place. There is like only one poster on here who has a very high post count, posts a lot of pro neo liberal tweets and articles and can't be banned. Who is doing the targeting really?

 

[blotter]

Economically he isn't talking about seizing the means of production.

 

[PoorAndDangerous]

Dude whoever edited this video should be fired, I’m not even saying like they edited it to make Bernie look bad it’s just horrible video editing

 

[wtfyomom]

I don’t listen to rogan unless he has a good guest on like Bernie, Cornell west etc but is all he really said that’s considered transphobic is that trans that are biologically men shouldn’t compete in sports vs women ? Cause how is he wrong on that issue ? Seems like a case of when keeping it woke goes wrong , to not offend trans people we have to let a dude in a dress beat up helpless women ? Or are there other comments he made against trans people ?

 

[Professor Emeritus]

I don’t listen to rogan unless he has a good guest on like Bernie, Cornell west etc but is all he really said that’s considered transphobic is that trans that are biologically men shouldn’t compete in sports vs women ? Cause how is he wrong on that issue ? Seems like a case of when keeping it woke goes wrong , to not offend trans people we have to let a dude in a dress beat up helpless women ? Or are there other comments he made against trans people ?

These are the ones I'm seeing put out there:

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the endorsement may prove particularly troublesome. Rogan went on a series of deeply transphobic tears in the past, repeatedly calling transgender women men.

I'm 100% in favor of transgender people, but to pretend that a male frame and a female frame are the same is insane. If a woman knows (2)

— Joe Rogan (@joerogan) November 9, 2014

In 2013, Bleacher Report noted that Rogan did not believe that transgender MMA fighter Fallon Fox was a woman.

“And, uh, she, um…she used to be a man but now she has had, she’s a transgender which is [the] official term that means you’ve gone through it, right? And she wants to be able to fight women in MMA. I say no f*cking way.

I say if you had a dikk at one point in time, you also have all the bone structure that comes with having a dikk. You have bigger hands, you have bigger shoulder joints. You’re a f*cking man. That’s a man, okay? You can’t have…that’s…I don’t care if you don’t have a dikk anymore.”

He reiterated in 2014 that transgender people should not participate in sports, citing an unnamed study in which trans high schoolers who were participating in athletics were dominating.

“The only time it matters with me is with sports,” Rogan said. “Just stop with that. Just stop with that and we’re going to be fine.”

And those were all from 6-7 years ago too when the pro-T movment wasn't nearly as prominent as it is right now. If we're really about rejecting every American whose ever held that set of beliefs.....

I saw one tweet that said, "No Democrat needs Joe Rogan's base to beat trump." Yes y'all do. Rogan gets something like 5 million views a day, he has more viewers than Rachel Maddow and Chris Matthews combined and they come from across the political spectrum.Talk like you can win the Midwest and swing states while rejecting anyone who thinks that trans athletes shouldn't compete against women.