Official Antonio Moore Thread

[MajorVitaman]

Antonio and Yvette use data and not rhetoric and platitudes and that makes their detractors furious.

Yes community building and organizing via group economics or other tools is important.

But Government creates wealth, it created the White working and middle class.

That's not debatable.

And without that type of help, we will be a permanent underclass.

And that means challenging and overturning a capitalist political ecnomy undergirded by government policy.

Nobody is denying the government is what got white folks where they're at today. What I'm saying is ridiculous is that you all expect that SAME GOVERNMENT ran by the descendants of the SAME WHITE SUPREMACISTS to all of a sudden have a come to Jesus moment and help us.

Its not about a handout but economic justice. Considser analogy she used towards the end of the vvideo about a woman getting most of her money stolen and coming back home to her spouse only to tell her to make due with what she has left. Pretending we dont deserve justice only perpetuates a cycle of failure and victim blaming.

Y'all keep confusing what's really going on out here. NOBODY is saying we don't "deserve" what we're owed. Of course we deserve economic justice. But if we're going to REALISTICALLY receive this justice we need to build ourselves up to actually be able to throw our influence around. We need to make real allies with the diaspora if we ever actually plan on challenging this system. @Poitier thread in the root speaking on our liberation is probably the most thorough and realistic plan we could follow compare to the typical "group economics" and "group economics won't work" arguments that keeps our people stuck in the mud arguing on social media...

Imagine Jews begging Nazi's to "bring justice" without their economic base and foreign allies like how we do in ameriKKKa. They'd still be stuck in Germany

 

[SuperNintendo Chalmers]

Nobody is denying the government is what got white folks where they're at today. What I'm saying is ridiculous is that you all expect that SAME GOVERNMENT ran by the descendants of the SAME WHITE SUPREMACISTS to all of a sudden have a come to Jesus moment and help us.





Y'all keep confusing what's really going on out here. NOBODY is saying we don't "deserve" what we're owed. Of course we deserve economic justice. But if we're going to REALISTICALLY receive this justice we need to build ourselves up to actually be able to throw our influence around. We need to make real allies with the diaspora if we ever actually plan on challenging this system. @Poitier thread in the root speaking on our liberation is probably the most thorough and realistic plan we could follow compare to the typical "group economics" and "group economics won't work" arguments that keeps our people stuck in the mud arguing on social media...

Imagine Jews begging Nazi's to "bring justice" without their economic base and foreign allies like how we do in ameriKKKa. They'd still be stuck in Germany

You missed my point.

Until things change at a government level, we are fukked.

That's all I'm saying.

We won't group economics our way out of this.

 

[CodeBlaMeVi]

Nobody is denying the government is what got white folks where they're at today. What I'm saying is ridiculous is that you all expect that SAME GOVERNMENT ran by the descendants of the SAME WHITE SUPREMACISTS to all of a sudden have a come to Jesus moment and help us.





Y'all keep confusing what's really going on out here. NOBODY is saying we don't "deserve" what we're owed. Of course we deserve economic justice. But if we're going to REALISTICALLY receive this justice we need to build ourselves up to actually be able to throw our influence around. We need to make real allies with the diaspora if we ever actually plan on challenging this system. @Poitier thread in the root speaking on our liberation is probably the most thorough and realistic plan we could follow compare to the typical "group economics" and "group economics won't work" arguments that keeps our people stuck in the mud arguing on social media...

Imagine Jews begging Nazi's to "bring justice" without their economic base and foreign allies like how we do in ameriKKKa. They'd still be stuck in Germany

This but people are evading that there's a problem but realism.

 

[Apollo Creed]

Nobody is denying the government is what got white folks where they're at today. What I'm saying is ridiculous is that you all expect that SAME GOVERNMENT ran by the descendants of the SAME WHITE SUPREMACISTS to all of a sudden have a come to Jesus moment and help us.





Y'all keep confusing what's really going on out here. NOBODY is saying we don't "deserve" what we're owed. Of course we deserve economic justice. But if we're going to REALISTICALLY receive this justice we need to build ourselves up to actually be able to throw our influence around. We need to make real allies with the diaspora if we ever actually plan on challenging this system. @Poitier thread in the root speaking on our liberation is probably the most thorough and realistic plan we could follow compare to the typical "group economics" and "group economics won't work" arguments that keeps our people stuck in the mud arguing on social media...

Imagine Jews begging Nazi's to "bring justice" without their economic base and foreign allies like how we do in ameriKKKa. They'd still be stuck in Germany

And thats what these goofies don't get.

Speaking literally sense in that the Government OWES Black is something even White people knows.

Now saying The Government Owing Blacks is the Solution (like Yvette and the other cat always do) is IDIOTIC.

LOL these people have been globally taking a dumb on black people for 500+ years, what makes anyone think there will come a day when they will say "hey we are sorry black people, here you go the fix to all of your problems".

Boyce, Claude, etc whether right or wrong at least propose their solution on how blacks can either use the government to their benefit or do something independently and both are via economics.

Them other clowns just cry all day about what the government needs to do for black people, and then make videos on how anyone who utters any solution that isn't waiting for the government to do right by blacks is "gonna get black folks killed".

Yvette and Tone can't speak on economics because they are BROKE, and literally invested in fields getting educations in things that DONT MAKE MONEY. Yvette talks about her student loan debt a ton yet we see nothing tangible her education has yielded her. She didnt need to go to college to write blogs and make youtube vids, so thats her problem not ours.

 

[Apollo Creed]

You missed my point.

Until things change at a government level, we are fukked.

That's all I'm saying.

We won't group economics our way out of this.

The government will never change, so you might as well start a mass suicide brunch for you and your friends with that mentality.

 

[MajorVitaman]

You missed my point.

Until things change at a government level, we are fukked.

That's all I'm saying.

We won't group economics our way out of this.

Lol HOW do you expect to "change" things at a governmental level without ANY economic power?


"We need white supremacy to play nice!"




Name a group of people in history who overcame oppression by having their oppressors all of a sudden wake up and stop the same genocidal system they keep eatin from???

 

[MajorVitaman]

This but people are evading that there's a problem but realism.

And thats what these goofies don't get.

Speaking literally sense in that the Government OWES Black is something even White people knows.

Now saying The Government Owing Blacks is the Solution (like Yvette and the other cat always do) is IDIOTIC.

LOL these people have been globally taking a dumb on black people for 500+ years, what makes anyone think there will come a day when they will say "hey we are sorry black people, here you go the fix to all of your problems".

Boyce, Claude, etc whether right or wrong at least propose their solution on how blacks can either use the government to their benefit or do something independently and both are via economics.

Them other clowns just cry all day about what the government needs to do for black people, and then make videos on how anyone who utters any solution that isn't waiting for the government to do right by blacks is "gonna get black folks killed".

Yvette and Tone can't speak on economics because they are BROKE, and literally invested in fields getting educations in things that DONT MAKE MONEY. Yvette talks about her student loan debt a ton yet we see nothing tangible her education has yielded her. She didnt need to go to college to write blogs and make youtube vids, so thats her problem not ours.

I see this a lot in these type of circles. They also think aligning themselves with "good white folks" will save us

But if you tell them

"Aye breh, that plan is doomed to fail. We should probably focus on building something for our people and link with others on the same wave"

All of a sudden

"IT WON'T WORK!!!"

"YOU'RE AN EVIL CAPITALIST!!!"



But then they'll go spend $50K in student loans to white banks for worthless degrees at PWI's. Empowering european, asian and arab establishments every single day talking about what we can't do

 

[Apollo Creed]

And this goes back to my original point. You can be right or wrong but AT LEAST if you have a SOLUTION that you can stand on, I have no problem because you are at least putting in more effort than many other people.

But when you literally are on that "THE GOVERNMENT GOTTA DO THIS FOR US" "MAN ______ IS DUMB THAT WILL NEVER WORK, THE GOVERNMENT HAS TO DO THIS".

 

[SleezyBigSlim]

Boyce is absoultely right here. There is no possible way blacks can be more financially literate than whites when WHITES CREATED THE fukkING SYSTEM.

Boyce is on a higher plane and attempting to educate blacks to ways to take advantage of the system any possible way they can. Stuff that most whites are taught by their parents. The financial illiteracy gap between the groups is astonishing. Yvette and Tone are on a simplistic handout seeking mentality. Its disgusting.

What you just said is what Yvette is doing. Personally I think they beefing but they need to come together.

 

[Apollo Creed]

I see this a lot in these type of circles. They also think aligning themselves with "good white folks" will save us

But if you tell them

"Aye breh, that plan is doomed to fail. We should probably focus on building something for our people and link with others on the same wave"

All of a sudden

"IT WON'T WORK!!!"

"YOU'RE AN EVIL CAPITALIST!!!"



But then they'll go spend $50K in student loans to white banks for worthless degrees at PWI's. Empowering european, asian and arab establishments every single day talking about what we can't do

From my observation its the unfortunate double edge sword of being an AA.

In theory your ancestors built this nation, and the nation would literally be nothing without them, thus you are entitled to equity in this nation rightfully so.

And then you have two trains of thought:
1. You know being American and having equity in the nation your ancestors built, thus you want to make America work, because it is your home and was built on the backs of your family. (Yvette)
2. You know your Ancestors built this nation, you know you are owed equity BUT you understand the conditions that this nation was built which is your ancestors were literally captives, and legally considered not being human, thus you come to the realization that if a nation can do all this "legally", what is the likely hood it would ever do right by you? And from this you realize you gotta get yours by any means.

The moment I hear a Black person says they are part of any European/Western political ideology /party that throws up a red flag to me. All Black people in America should be iNDEPENDENT, because we are literally INDEPENDENT and we are all we have, thus we must use the literally we have strategically, opposed to aligning de facto with any ol political party just because.

 

[SleezyBigSlim]

Actually it is one of the many problems that we face

I addressed this in my post you quoted, and I'll say it again. Statistics tells us blacks have 47% financial literacy and whites just 45%. African Americans save and manage money better. Anyways you a cac, don't reply to my post fakkit. You bytch ass white people want to tell us our economic hardships is our fault when it's not. fukk off.

 

[Loose]

I must be out of the loop haven't listened to brother boyce in months but I thought they were cool

 

[MajorVitaman]

From my observation its the unfortunate double edge sword of being an AA.

In theory your ancestors built this nation, and the nation would literally be nothing without them, thus you are entitled to equity in this nation rightfully so.

And then you have two trains of thought:
1. You know being American and having equity in the nation your ancestors built, thus you want to make America work, because it is your home and was built on the backs of your family. (Yvette)
2. You know your Ancestors built this nation, you know you are owed equity BUT you understand the conditions that this nation was built which is your ancestors were literally captives, and legally considered not being human, thus you come to the realization that if a nation can do all this "legally", what is the likely hood it would ever do right by you? And from this you realize you gotta get yours by any means.

The moment I hear a Black person says they are part of any European/Western political ideology /party that throws up a red flag to me. All Black people in America should be iNDEPENDENT, because we are literally INDEPENDENT and we are all we have, thus we must use the literally we have strategically, opposed to aligning de facto with any ol political party just because.

Real talk, most of these people going hard for ANY Europe developed ideology is setting themselves up for failure. And they're usually parroted by tokens. Black empowerment is the only thing that will save us in the short & long term.

 

[MajorVitaman]

I must be out of the loop haven't listened to brother boyce in months but I thought they were cool

She always seems to take jabs at Boyce on the low. This my first time hearing her really try and go in (with her moist sounding friend of course, very typical)

 

[Apollo Creed]

Real talk, most of these people going hard for ANY Europe developed ideology is setting themselves up for failure. And they're usually parroted by tokens. Black empowerment is the only thing that will save us in the short & long term.

Yup, thats why I give props to the Africans from the 50s-70s who at least said their political ideology was AFRICAN Socialism, and clearly said it was separate from Euro Socialism.

No other group has the unique circumstances of Black people in America thus I do not see the benefit of blindly aligning with others who want something completely different.

When you hear people say they are "Black Republicans" they speak it as if they created a new party when in reality they are simply republicans who are Black. I'd have more respect if cats started a new political vehicle even if they want to call it Black Republican or Black Democratic party but focused in on the issues directly facing blacks and not compromising their stances for anyone else.