Who Will Win Best Rap Album?

  • Travis Scott

    Votes: 6 17.1%
  • Drake & 21 Savage

    Votes: 7 20.0%
  • Nas

    Votes: 11 31.4%
  • Killer Mike

    Votes: 10 28.6%
  • Metro Boomin

    Votes: 1 2.9%

  • Total voters
    35
  • Poll closed .

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You guys just aren’t fans of her music and it’s okay. But trying to justify or find a criteria for the Grammys is a flawed exercise. Notice only people who think she is over awarded are siding with your take. Just think about what you said, Beyonce sold more records than Beck in her first day and her album was just as critically acclaimed. That’s a double whammy. But you’re over here saying that if she didn’t win it would go to Ed, which is entirely the damn point. It’s a random award that goes to whoever that panel of white people wants to award and you’re taking the awkward position of being a black person trying to make sense of it.

If it’s about record sales then it should mirror the billboard awards. If it’s about critical acclaim then an album like Ed’s shouldn’t have been in the category. The argument Beyonce had was that on multiple occasions she had the perfect mix of both and lost. And to your album sales argument, why didn’t that ever apply for Eminem? Why did Frank Ocean lose to Mumford and Sons if it’s about popularity in mainstream music that year? You and others are going to extreme lengths to discredit a black person’s genuine criticism of the randomness of this award. We just watched a white woman win the award 4x over more critically acclaimed artists - we even saw her win during the era of Sasha Fierce where Beyonce was a bigger global star. I just don’t understand why you guys are planting your flag on arguing in favor of the decisions of suspect award show. To Jay Z’s point, “by your own criteria” - you’re creating your own instead of acknowledging the nonsensical nature of theirs.

Her argument was simple - she was the most critical acclaimed artist in the category when Beyonce and Lemonade lost - by far. The latter won the damn Peabody award. If this was the Oscars your argument would be laughable on its face. They literally created their secret panel SPECIFICALLY to make sure artists like her won after Prince lost to Lionel Richie.
I acknowledged the self titled album was her best shot, while pointing out another candidate. I don’t think the Grammys are that random, especially for the big awards. It either goes to the best selling albums, the veteran icon who has won in the past (Herbie Hancock, Robert Plant, etc) or they throw a curveball and go with a critically acclaimed smaller artist to reset credibility (Beck, Arcade Fire).

The difference here for me is that I don’t think this is some social justice issue, I don’t think her music is particularly great, and she regularly loses these awards to bigger artists. Her entire image is based around being the biggest artist and yet she isn’t.

Eminem regularly won in years he sold the most records. Mumford & Sons outsold Frank Ocean. And before someone asks how come black artists don’t benefit from the critical acclaim curveball…as stated earlier Jon Batiste won AOTY in 2022.

At least the Oscars created a category specifically for bad films that make a lot of money, to satisfy the masses. The Grammys doesn’t have nearly the respect that the Oscars do, and even that is largely subjective and regularly ignores masterpieces from the greatest directors (Welles, Hitchcock, Scorsese until they gave him a sympathy award, Spike Lee, etc) in favor of more sentimental mainstream films.
 

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Kai Cenat basically summing up Gen Z and up — embarrassingly ignorant and proud of it. I wouldn’t expect a 22 year old from NY to know who Killer Mike is, but he’s also supposedly living in Atlanta, and at the very least you’d think he’d be familiar with Run These Jewels with how much of a cult following they have.

But I’m glad that album won. It was definitely a top album last year and if you weren’t having Nas win it, Killer Mike definitely deserved it. I don’t fukk with any of that Run These Jewels garbage with those awful El-P beats, but the production of ‘Michael’ was nice from top to bottom along with the content, and it was more a return to Grind Time Killer Mike instead of avant-garde “white revolutionary music” Killer Mike. None of the albums Kai Cenat mentioned were worthy of b winning album of the year. ‘Utopia’ was Travis Scott’s worst album easily, ‘FATD’ was a bottom tier Drake album that was only saved by J Cole and the Scary Hours 3 bonus tracks later on, and Metro’s album simply wasn’t better the ‘Michael’.
FATD was not in the running for Rap Album of the Year though
 

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Same - Madonna was controversial but a record selling machine and never awarded like this

Then you had the whole crop of Gwen Stefani, fergie, Nelly furtado, Britney, Christina, pink, Avril lanveign, even Kelly Clarkson and none of them became white america’s champion like her - Gaga might have gotten there if she didn’t overplay the weirdo LGBT card.

Pays to come in the game on the back of a rich well connected dad (word to Lana del ray coincidentally)

Taylor Swift is the one that's just a plain jane typical white girl. All of the others were too "urban". No real controversies, no "edginess", no Hip Hop producers helming her albums, she doesn't have a voice that would sound at home on an R&B track. A Kendrick Lamar feature is about as close as she come to stepping outside that box.
 

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This thread salty as hell . Fact is none of us are out here listening to or relating to any Taylor Swift album. It’s not for us so to sit here and act try to analyze her shyt and call her mid is just pure salt . Fact is Beyoncé doesn’t have that one album that’s legit great. She has a catalog full of 7’s and 8’s when you wipe away the Stan make-up.


Swift is the biggest artist in the world ,got these girls in a chokehold ,is apparently releasing legit critically acclaimed albums in a time period of straight up mid-music ..
 

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ANYBODY but Travis. That nikka is a disgrace to Hip Hop

The result of "Stop hating, I'm getting money" mentality ruining the quality control in Hip Hop. Even the live performances of those "get money" rappers be legit dead as fukk.
 

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What are they going to do? Refuse to feature on albums he’s NOT dropping?

Jay is truly one of the few artist’s who are “above” the need to cater to anybody.

Puff used to think the same way, too....

Jay better move with tact and caution, cause like Eddie Griffin said, no black man leaves show business clean.
 

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Naw man that Travis Scott performance was pure trash. Might have been the worst performance of the night besides Miley Cyrus crazy looking ass

That's my entire point! The mentality of "getting money above anything else" leads to terrible quality music and performances.
 

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I simply disagree. Looking at her past losses, the only one where she has an argument was the self titled one that lost to Beck. But if they hadn't done their patented "curveball every few years" trick that probably would have gone to Ed Sheeren who sold more records.

I agree. If any Beyonce album should've won AOTY, it was the self-titled album. IMO, that is the closest we've gotten to a Thriller moment from Beyonce. Not only was the music great, but that album was a game changer.
 

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This thread salty as hell . Fact is none of us are out here listening to or relating to any Taylor Swift album. It’s not for us so to sit here and act try to analyze her shyt and call her mid is just pure salt . Fact is Beyoncé doesn’t have that one album that’s legit great. She has a catalog full of 7’s and 8’s when you wipe away the Stan make-up.


Swift is the biggest artist in the world ,got these girls in a chokehold ,is apparently releasing legit critically acclaimed albums in a time period of straight up mid-music ..
I binged a bunch of Taylor Swift songs years ago just to have fair judgement and she makes some of the emptiest, bland, boring, swaggerless music and it strikes a chord with empty, bland, boring, swaggerless people. So yes, that’s mid across the board and I don’t have to relate to it to figure that out.
 

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You guys just aren’t fans of her music and it’s okay. But trying to justify or find a criteria for the Grammys is a flawed exercise. Notice only people who think she is over awarded are siding with your take. Just think about what you said, Beyonce sold more records than Beck in her first day and her album was just as critically acclaimed. That’s a double whammy. But you’re over here saying that if she didn’t win it would go to Ed, which is entirely the damn point. It’s a random award that goes to whoever that panel of white people wants to award and you’re taking the awkward position of being a black person trying to make sense of it.

If it’s about record sales then it should mirror the billboard awards. If it’s about critical acclaim then an album like Ed’s shouldn’t have been in the category. The argument Beyonce had was that on multiple occasions she had the perfect mix of both and lost. And to your album sales argument, why didn’t that ever apply for Eminem? Why did Frank Ocean lose to Mumford and Sons if it’s about popularity in mainstream music that year? You and others are going to extreme lengths to discredit a black person’s genuine criticism of the randomness of this award. We just watched a white woman win the award 4x over more critically acclaimed artists - we even saw her win during the era of Sasha Fierce where Beyonce was a bigger global star. I just don’t understand why you guys are planting your flag on arguing in favor of the decisions of suspect award show. To Jay Z’s point, “by your own criteria” - you’re creating your own instead of acknowledging the nonsensical nature of theirs.

Her argument was simple - she was the most critical acclaimed artist in the category when Beyonce and Lemonade lost - by far. The latter won the damn Peabody award. If this was the Oscars your argument would be laughable on its face. They literally created their secret panel SPECIFICALLY to make sure artists like her won after Prince lost to Lionel Richie.

I don't know why anybody is surprised that a white woman won AOTY four times at the Grammys. It's the Grammys. None of the winners are going to make sense because its an academy of industry people where we only have a select few members of said academy. They don't have a criteria. They vote for whoever they want to win, simple and plain. This isn't being apologist, it's being real.
 

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Just checked Travis didn't win when he had that monster year with Astro but lesser artists have. So what exactly is the criteria for winning
 
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