Official 2023-2024 Detroit Lions Thread.

eastside313

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They win last night, yes, but they're not winning the next 2 with that defense. You're not scoring 45 or 50 against Philly or KC
Philly is definitely beat able with that broken passing game and a gimpy qb that just had a concussion. And this is a week to week thing. You don’t know what can happen during a game and change a Teams outlook.
 
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Rams knew they had to surround Stanford with an all star team to where even his worst inclinations couldn’t fukk it up. Goff isn’t stafford. Why isn’t that the same here?
Rams offense was not an all star team when they won the Super Bowl.
 

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They win last night, yes, but they're not winning the next 2 with that defense. You're not scoring 45 or 50 against Philly or KC
Sure, but I would have loved to find out. That shyt last night was terrible. It was a culmination of all the problems throughout the season all happening together at the worst possible time.
 

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Rams offense was stafford and kupp.

Odell Beckham was easily Hall of fame pace at that time. Rams needed all of those moves to win. Stafford is still a champ of course but when you don’t have an elite QB, you generally need an all star team like that or all time great defenses like Seattle and Denver. Lions committed to Goff so they gotta play their part and go for it
 

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Odell Beckham was easily Hall of fame pace at that time. Rams needed all of those moves to win. Stafford is still a champ of course but when you don’t have an elite QB, you generally need an all star team like that or all time great defenses like Seattle and Denver. Lions committed to Goff so they gotta play their part and go for it
Sir Beckham caught 25 passes. He was washed. Stafford and Goff are in 2 different classes of quarterbacks. If you trying to say stafford won on some Trent dilfer chit cut it out.
 

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not as upset as i thought i would be :manny:

Lions have desensitized me over my lifetime to disappointment. Surprised not shocked

Whoever comes out of AFC gonna win it all. NFC is weaker than we thought. NFC north got exposed in playoffs

Haven’t looked much a draft. Wouldn’t mind Sawyer from OSU though. Seems like a Campbell kinda guy
Exactly, even if we won this game let’s be real this defense wasn’t stopping Lamar Pat or Josh in the super bowl

Winning it all without our best player was already a stretch but then you add all the other injuries? Pipe dream in hindsight

Still an unacceptable loss but the window isn’t closed yet as long as Holmes continues making moves and Campbell keeps the core guys hungry

Good riddance to BJ
 

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After 2025, Goff goes from 32 million to 69 million, ASB goes from 13 million to 33 million, Penei goes from 9 million to 28 million, McNeil goes from 6 million to 28 million. Things are going to change after next season regardless.

Also your last paragraph contradicts your first one. You think a rookie at 30 gonna make a difference when there’s zero room for error? Our defense wasn’t really good enough before the injures I doubt flop bytch jack sawyer will make any sort of a difference

It remains a healthy cap situation because of the cheap rookie deals this team keeps hitting on. Also Goff's deal will be restructured, that's not a problem.

I don't think it's a contradiction at all. How many spots are on this team for a rookie to take? Edge, maybe DT (while Alim is out), maybe X receiver if they want to move Tim Patrick to a backup role. That's about it. You draft for depth at this stage, guys who will eventually fill holes. At some point we're gonna need a nickel DB after Amik's contract is up for instance. That's not 2025. At some point we're gonna need a guard to replace Glasgow. Prob not in 2025. I'd rather have my draft picks to get these guys on the roster. Especially as we get further into this regime. Year 4 = most of the guys drafted in 2021 are on expired contracts. Next year it'll be the 2022 draft (Paschal, Kerby, Rodrigo, Jamo if we don't pick up the 5yr option). For this to work the Lions need to start replacing guys with rookies on cheap contracts. Why fukk that up to get one guy, after we saw how betting the farm on one guy goes.

This remains a really good, really deep roster. That doesn't magically change because we lost 20 players on defense in a historic run of freak injuries.
 

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It remains a healthy cap situation because of the cheap rookie deals this team keeps hitting on. Also Goff's deal will be restructured, that's not a problem.

I don't think it's a contradiction at all. How many spots are on this team for a rookie to take? Edge, maybe DT (while Alim is out), maybe X receiver if they want to move Tim Patrick to a backup role. That's about it. You draft for depth at this stage, guys who will eventually fill holes. At some point we're gonna need a nickel DB after Amik's contract is up for instance. That's not 2025. At some point we're gonna need a guard to replace Glasgow. Prob not in 2025. I'd rather have my draft picks to get these guys on the roster. Especially as we get further into this regime. Year 4 = most of the guys drafted in 2021 are on expired contracts. Next year it'll be the 2022 draft (Paschal, Kerby, Rodrigo, Jamo if we don't pick up the 5yr option). For this to work the Lions need to start replacing guys with rookies on cheap contracts. Why fukk that up to get one guy, after we saw how betting the farm on one guy goes.

This remains a really good, really deep roster. That doesn't magically change because we lost 20 players on defense in a historic run of freak injuries.
I've learned to not worry much about the salary cap. A capoligist is really just having a good accountant. When you have a good one they find ways to make the money work. That and continuous good drafting is how the good teams stay good. So many were buying the eagles and Rams after the championship rings because they traded picks and paid guys. Good organizations always figure it out though, time and time again.
 

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He was handsy early on and got alot of penalties but he had a solid rookie year overall. Definitely sticky in coverage. Rakestraw and Wingo got hurt. Mahogany is future starter a G. Hopefully Manu is Decker replacement. Vaki was good on special teams. They took more developmental guys this draft that weren’t forced to play immediately

This is a casual take IMO. That draft is basically what Baltimore and other great teams do every year: get some depth, get some development guys, and fill small holes. The roster was simply too good for us to have a bunch of rookies make impact. Arnold played well overall and was in phase more often than not. He'll be really good next season, I have zero concerns about him. My only draft issue was Rakestraw. Good player but how many shots are we gonna take on injury prone players only for it to blow up in our face immediately. I'm not sure he's durable enough to play NFL special teams and I'm not sure there's a starting spot for him on defense so....what's the plan next season. We just wait for year 3, when Amik is gone and he can compete for nickel?

You guys are banking on future production when this team is contending right now. Teams like Baltimore, KC and Buffalo have all-time QBs, which Detroit does not. This team needs to consistently add talent for the current year and they did not do that this season.

Even before Hutch went down, pass rushing was a question mark. Again, Hutch led the team in sacks and he played five games; Smith was second with four and he only played half the season for them. It's not like I'm second guessing this. I was bytching about it all offseason and before the trade deadline.

This upcoming draft cannot be about depth. It needs to be about impact players. I would trade these picks to land an impact guy.

If Glenn leaves, it will be interesting to see what kind of DC they bring in or promote. I like Glenn but hid defense got torched by quality teams WAY too often and he was stubborn as fukk. Maybe a new DC can get better results.

I've seen a lot of Stafford talk the past 24 hours. I don't know why everyone keeps ignoring that the Rams made major trades year after year until they won. Brandin Cooks, Jalen Ramsey, Leonard Floyd, Stafford, Von Miller and Odell Beckham. They traded for Miller and Beckham during the 2021 season and both balled out in the postseason.
 

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I don’t want the many injuries to obscure the fact that we don’t have a championship defense when healthy. It’s okay for fans and media to use injuries to cope but I need Brad to keep his eye on the ball.
 

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Well having a talented QB certainly doesn't guarantee shyt look at Baltimore and Lamar. He can win you games but he's about to pack it up and go home again. Hell him and Derrick Henry wasn't enough.
 

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Well having a talented QB certainly doesn't guarantee shyt look at Baltimore and Lamar. He can win you games but he's about to pack it up and go home again. Hell him and Derrick Henry wasn't enough.
There was 2 superstar qbs playing in that game. One of them had to lose.
 
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