Official 2023-2024 Detroit Lions Thread.

[IrateMastermind]

where we getting this developmental QB? Wouldn’t mind Rattler or McKee with vikings pick or 3rd round pick

7th rd, Holmes can find us the next purdy.

 

[dh86]

I gotta disagree. Campbell was pretty adamant that Goff is their guy this week, and I'd expect similar comments from Holmes whenever he speaks to the media in the next few weeks/months. They think this is the window. The team has been rebuilt, there are a few holes that will be plugged after the draft and FA...then they're going out to win now. VS Stroud taking a couple years to develop and then suddenly you gotta pay or replace multiple guys.

I'm not saying I definitely want Bresee but he has elite potential and is already being mocked in the top 10. And end of the day whether all these guys are elite or not, the goal in my eyes is to do what San Francisco has done: stack d-line talent until you have a vicious rotation. To the point where you have elite guys like Nick Bosa who make everyone better. To the point where you have so much depth you can trade a guy like DeForest Buckner without missing a step thanks to guys like Arik Armstead.

We got a complete, potentially elite edge in Hutch. We got a potentially elite pass rusher in Houston. Paschal showed flashes and has a lot of potential. McNeill is a really good. The glaring hole is at the second DT spot (we'll prob never know if Levi was legit or not sadly). Why wouldn't completing the line be a top priority? All those guys will have 3-5 years before we have to pay them.

There are glaring holes on defense but who at #6 is going to fill that hole immediately as an impact player in 2023? Breese Wilson and Murphy are all couple of steps behind Thibs as a prospect and would take the same couple of years to develop you say Stroud would. There’s no Thibodeaux or Gardner in this draft, so how much lesser of a prospect are we going to go at #6 before the QB is a better gamble? Especially if it’s all the same money with rookie wage scale. There’s the trade down option but I don’t see it.

 

[dh86]

where we getting this developmental QB? Wouldn’t mind Rattler or McKee with vikings pick or 3rd round pick

Rattler is staying in school. With he, Jayden Daniels, and Frank Harris staying for NIL, I think every QB could go higher than we think

 

[djthegreat88]

There are glaring holes on defense but who at #6 is going to fill that hole immediately as an impact player in 2023? Breese Wilson and Murphy are all couple of steps behind Thibs as a prospect and would take the same couple of years to develop you say Stroud would. There’s no Thibodeaux or Gardner in this draft, so how much lesser of a prospect are we going to go at #6 before the QB is a better gamble? Especially if it’s all the same money with rookie wage scale. There’s the trade down option but I don’t see it.

Young, Stroud, Levis all going top 5. Rams won enough games to dead QB dreams at top. If Lions trade up it would probably be for Carter or Anderson.

And we don’t know what the consensus will be by draft day. Walker was a fringe first rounder at this point last year and went #1. Last year was also considered a weak draft at top. Honestly not huge difference between Thibodeuex and Breese/Murphy. Big time high school recruits that never really put it all together in college.

Breese is definitely interesting . He was getting Suh comparisons at one point. But had messed up college career. Good freshman season. Then tore his ACL. His little sister died from brain cancer. Then he was dealing with kidney infections this year. He’ll probably kill it as combine. Freaky athlete for his size.

 

[Piff Perkins]

Young, Stroud, Levis all going top 5. Rams won enough games to dead QB dreams at top. If Lions trade up it would probably be for Carter or Anderson.

And we don’t know what the consensus will be by draft day. Walker was a fringe first rounder at this point last year and went #1. Last year was also considered a weak draft at top. Honestly not huge difference between Thibodeuex and Breese/Murphy. Big time high school recruits that never really put it all together in college.

Breese is definitely interesting . He was getting Suh comparisons at one point. But had messed up college career. Good freshman season. Then tore his ACL. His little sister died from brain cancer. Then he was dealing with kidney infections this year. He’ll probably kill it as combine. Freaky athlete for his size.

Only thing I wonder about with Breese is whether Holmes thinks the ACL thing is a gamble. This is a pick that's being made because we (presumably) missed on a 2nd round pick who had an injury history, ie Levi Onwuzurike. Breese didn't have any issues with the ACL last year obviously, but it's still a potential concern to think about. Not to mention the other things, including his sister dying. That shyt is heavy, But everything I've seen and read about Breese's character gives me the impression he's the type of guy Holmes and Campbell will LOVE.

Also think it's curious that Holmes was asked about Charles Harris and Vaitai's rehab but wasn't asked about Levi. We don't have any information him beyond that he had surgery. IF he is healthy and ready to ball it could completely change things.

 

[djthegreat88]

Only thing I wonder about with Breese is whether Holmes thinks the ACL thing is a gamble. This is a pick that's being made because we (presumably) missed on a 2nd round pick who had an injury history, ie Levi Onwuzurike. Breese didn't have any issues with the ACL last year obviously, but it's still a potential concern to think about. Not to mention the other things, including his sister dying. That shyt is heavy, But everything I've seen and read about Breese's character gives me the impression he's the type of guy Holmes and Campbell will LOVE.

Also think it's curious that Holmes was asked about Charles Harris and Vaitai's rehab but wasn't asked about Levi. We don't have any information him beyond that he had surgery. IF he is healthy and ready to ball it could completely change things.

Anything from Levi is a luxury at this point.

 

[Regular_P]

It's fun to speculate about the draft but we'll have a better idea what they're planning after free agency, which begins on March 15th. The players they sign will shape what they target in the draft. I hope they get at least one veteran CB and a couple LBs.

 

[winb83]

It's fun to speculate about the draft but we'll have a better idea what they're planning after free agency, which begins on March 15th. The players they sign will shape what they target in the draft. I hope they get at least one veteran CB and a couple LBs.

They not drafting a QB in the 1st round. That's for sure.

 

[djthegreat88]

Think we resign Elliot, Cominsky, Williams, Buggs, Woods

Release Brockers, Okwara, Harris

Keep Vatai. Lock Jonah Jackson up long term

Chark will cost too much. He’ll get #1 WR money from someone when he’ll probably be our 3rd option next year

Sign best cb available in FA: Bradberry, Dean?
Make run at best interior rushers: Hargrave, Payne. Call Colts about Deforest Buckner if their going into rebuild

My end of season mock

Quentin Johnson WR TCU: BPA. No QB, Anderson/Carter gone. Weak tape from Breese/Murphy. Wilson also huge project. Too early for CBs or Robinson. Would prefer trade down. But Johnson huge outside WR with speed. Luxury pick

Cam Smith CB South Carolina: starting caliber cb. Solid cover guy with some ball skills

Drew Sanders LB Arkansas: Big fast linebacker with some pass rushing skills. Poor mans Parsons

Hodges-Tomlinson CB TCU: undersized corner. Tough. Could make good nickle back

Jaren Hall QB BYU: developmental QB prospect. Good tools. Mobile

Chase Brown RB Illinois:potential Jamaal Williams replacement

Cade Stover TE OSU- Developmental TE

Jake Moody K Michigan- Best kicker in college. Questionable over 50 though

 

[FukkaPaidEmail]

If Carter isn’t there at 6 (he won’t ) I’d absolutely would want Joey Porter Jr. Dude looked like he was a tier above everyone every time I watched Penn State . The pass rush is there ,the lions need to get their CB’s in order .


Robinson would take the offense to a different level so I couldn’t be mad at it .

Breese really hasn’t don’t anything to show he a top 10 guy . Idk anything about the Texas Tech dude bc I never watched them


No reason at all to draft a DE high.

 

[Piff Perkins]

I agree that it's hard to tell what the board will look like right now, people will rise/fall. My general view is to go d-line at 6, then CB at 18, based on what the mock drafts currently look like. What if CBs start getting ranked higher, their workouts are crazy and suddenly the Lions have the ability to take the best CB at 6? Could be super likely if it's true that they're gonna target the two guys who play the most man coverage (Christian Gonzales and Joey Porter), who could be gone before 18. I'd be fine with that. What if there's a big run on QBs/CBs/OTs and suddenly Quentin Johnson is right there at 18? I'd be fine with that too.

Maybe Holmes thinks he can find better DT value later in the draft with somebody like Siaki Ika from Baylor or Tuli Tuipulotu from USC, both of whom are currently mocked in the second round. To me the most important needs for the draft are (in terms of ranked importance, not the draft round):

1A: DT
1B: CB
RB
G
LB
CB/DB (Amani is gone, Okudah prob moved to nickel, Chase Lucas could be in mix too)

I'd resign Buggs but the expectation in my mind is that he's not the starter by the end of the season. On average I noticed McNeill tended to get around 34 snaps a game, Buggs got around 30 snaps a game, and then Benito Jones was the backup getting about 20. So there are plenty of snaps to spread around between Buggs and a rookie.

 

[winb83]

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[IrateMastermind]

I agree that it's hard to tell what the board will look like right now, people will rise/fall. My general view is to go d-line at 6, then CB at 18, based on what the mock drafts currently look like. What if CBs start getting ranked higher, their workouts are crazy and suddenly the Lions have the ability to take the best CB at 6? Could be super likely if it's true that they're gonna target the two guys who play the most man coverage (Christian Gonzales and Joey Porter), who could be gone before 18. I'd be fine with that. What if there's a big run on QBs/CBs/OTs and suddenly Quentin Johnson is right there at 18? I'd be fine with that too.

Maybe Holmes thinks he can find better DT value later in the draft with somebody like Siaki Ika from Baylor or Tuli Tuipulotu from USC, both of whom are currently mocked in the second round. To me the most important needs for the draft are (in terms of ranked importance, not the draft round):

1A: DE
1B: CB
RB
G
LB
CB/DB (Amani is gone, Okudah prob moved to nickel, Chase Lucas could be in mix too)

I'd resign Buggs but the expectation in my mind is that he's not the starter by the end of the season. On average I noticed McNeill tended to get around 34 snaps a game, Buggs got around 30 snaps a game, and then Benito Jones was the backup getting about 20. So there are plenty of snaps to spread around between Buggs and a rookie.

Did you mean 1A: DT?

If not, I don’t see a need for DE in the draft. I’d rather bring in a pass rush specialist in FA.

Ideally, an RB, CB and DT with the first 3 picks assuming Bijan is the Rb. The order doesn’t matter

If he’s not, DT, CB, LB in any order. I wouldn’t mind 2 CB’s in the draft and a FA CB and LB. 2nd CB late. Whatever we have left spend on the oline. I wouldn’t mind them drafting a lineman every year like the patriots used to. At some point we’re gonna have to let these guys leave. Can’t pay them all.

I’d prefer the FA’s come in on prove it deals and Devin Bush may be available. I’m not sure if he’s hurt or flat out not good but his stats didn’t look good at all. I wouldn’t mind giving him a second chance if he’s on the outs in Pittsburgh.

 

[IrateMastermind]

If Carter isn’t there at 6 (he won’t ) I’d absolutely would want Joey Porter Jr. Dude looked like he was a tier above everyone every time I watched Penn State . The pass rush is there ,the lions need to get their CB’s in order .


Robinson would take the offense to a different level so I couldn’t be mad at it .

Breese really hasn’t don’t anything to show he a top 10 guy . Idk anything about the Texas Tech dude bc I never watched them


No reason at all to draft a DE high.

I wish I would’ve watched Penn state and Oregon. I couldn’t tell you a thing about these 2 dudes coming out this year.

I have watched Noah Sewell and think he fits Holmes’ athletic profile. Homeboy can move for his size like his brother. I’d be cool with us getting him on the roster. I don’t think he’s supposed to go high.

 

[Piff Perkins]

Did you mean 1A: DT?

If not, I don’t see a need for DE in the draft. I’d rather bring in a pass rush specialist in FA.

Ideally, an RB, CB and DT with the first 3 picks assuming Bijan is the Rb. The order doesn’t matter

If he’s not, DT, CB, LB in any order. I wouldn’t mind 2 CB’s in the draft and a FA CB and LB. 2nd CB late. Whatever we have left spend on the oline. I wouldn’t mind them drafting a lineman every year like the patriots used to. At some point we’re gonna have to let these guys leave. Can’t pay them all.

I’d prefer the FA’s come in on prove it deals and Devin Bush may be available. I’m not sure if he’s hurt or flat out not good but his stats didn’t look good at all. I wouldn’t mind giving him a second chance if he’s on the outs in Pittsburgh.

Yup I meant DT. As you said, DE is pretty set. Speaking of which, this is a great roster guide that lists all the free agents on the team, cap money etc.

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At this point for DT, Levi coming back healthy has to be viewed as a potential bonus...not something we can rely on.

CB wise I wonder what the plan is, beyond the draft. Are they comfortable with Jerry Jacobs being the starter alongside a rookie? Seems fine to me. And then have the nickel position be a competition between Okudah and Will Harris. Chase Lucas as a backup.