Official 2020 Democratic Primary Debate Thread

[Dusty Bake Activate]

Abrams wasn't a progressive darling? She was being pushed as a VP picked to accommodate centrist? Jesus christ

Uh, no.

 

[Tommy Fits]

I believe earlier in the campaign he said he was going to pick a woman.

He should go with Klobuchar, show your willing to reach out and work with the moderate wing of the party. Don't make the same mistake Hillary made by picking Kaine and telling progressives to basically fukk off.

 

[No1]

Sanders supporters really really underestimating how much the average American hates change. Especially when you have a family, a decent job, monthly bills. Even if your life isn't that great, most don't want to upset that routine. When you're young, a massive change is easier to adjust to, you're more willing to take that chance. M4A is a massive change, the possibility of 1.8 million jobs on the line, tax increases, lesser medical care for those with private insurance. Or it could work out and we could improve medical care across the country, its a huge unknown and people don't like the unknown. A common argument I've heard, one which AOC has mentioned is the fact they could settle, eventually the publiccompromise for option, and yes they could. But they aren't campaigning on that, he's campaigning on M4A. That's a massive upheaval of the current system.

People just voted for Donald Trump and a black man named Hussein. Bernie isn’t underestimating anything. People have to stop projecting their personal beliefs on to everyone else. It’s a very self-centered view of politics. You’re talking about yourself here. Most people would not be upset by a 4 year phase-in process. The jobs point is legitimate but every advance causes and creates jobs. It just is what it is.

 

[duncanthetall]

He should go with Klobuchar, show your willing to reach out and work with the moderate wing of the party. Don't make the same mistake Hillary made by picking Kaine and telling progressives to basically fukk off.

.....Amy is terrible. I’m okay with a moderate I guess, if they can get on message, but going with Amy would be terrible

 

[Bobhoward]

This is true. I honestly believe Trump can undercut a lot of this by making a push to bring down prescription drug prices between now and November.

Coworker told me he hit his deductible already. 800/mo for bipolar meds and 250 for counseling.

Hit my deductible already as well. Had to have a colonoscopy

shyt cost around 3k all said and done.. glad it happened in early February I guess though

 

[FAH1223]

Sanders supporters really really underestimating how much the average American hates change. Especially when you have a family, a decent job, monthly bills. Even if your life isn't that great, most don't want to upset that routine. When you're young, a massive change is easier to adjust to, you're more willing to take that chance. M4A is a massive change, the possibility of 1.8 million jobs on the line, tax increases, lesser medical care for those with private insurance. Or it could work out and we could improve medical care across the country, its a huge unknown and people don't like the unknown. A common argument I've heard, one which AOC has mentioned is the fact they could settle, eventually the publiccompromise for option, and yes they could. But they aren't campaigning on that, he's campaigning on M4A. That's a massive upheaval of the current system.

The thing is no one can defend the current system. It’s criminal. Power is concentrated and killing people. Dem and their policy shops in this cycle are talking more about rural America and the devastation of hospitals closing right now and monopolization of things like telecom md lowering access, forget broadband.

I’d argue we’ve had 3 change elections in 12 years (2008, 2016, 2020).

Sanders in my opinion is Overton shifting. Changing the conversation on the Dems terms rather than letting Trump define them as he did in 2016.

The funny thing I think will happen is he will pivot his rhetoric. I barely hear him say things like political revolution on the stump.

 

[dtownreppin214]

He should go with Klobuchar, show your willing to reach out and work with the moderate wing of the party. Don't make the same mistake Hillary made by picking Kaine and telling progressives to basically fukk off.

I'm starting to lean towards her too.

Initially I was all in on Abrams being VP but w/ Bernie I'm more concerned about him attracting fickle white women than minorities.

 

[storyteller]

So in other words, she’s a solid moderate concession, which is what I told him any leftist said. Aight, cool. His definition of “reasonable” is agreeing with him on something. He is a pedantic poster.

Abrams might be able to bring out more black voters (maybe) but what evidence is there of her appeal to “moderates? In 2018 she did well by winning 94 percent of the black vote in a state where black people are 31 percent of the population. She lost white voters by a margin of over 50 points. She barely won suburban voters off the strength of black suburbs but those aren’t the types of suburbs Democrats need to win the election. She wasn’t even in the ball park with rural voters. At best Abrams outperformed Hillary Clinton by 3 points in a year where Democrats were energized and Trump wasn’t on the ballot. I’m not convinced.

I'm running off memory here, but if I recall correctly, Abrams showed strong numbers with Independents. Since I'm a big proponent of Bitcofer's negative partisanship theory, I put a lot of weight behind carrying independents.

Forgive me if this repetition but a quick oversimplified version of the Bitcofer theory: Democrats and Republicans are reliably going to vote for their party. Look at Trump's approval rating for proof of concept. Independents don't actually swing back and forth either, but which ones actually show up to vote can vary. So you want candidates that can either turn out independent voters that lean their way (moderates in this case) or you need someone on the opposite ticket that galvanizes the independents to show up just to vote against them (negative partisanship is the term for this).

So what I want, is a candidate that did numbers with Independent turnout to combine with the negative partisanship effect of Trump being on the opposite ticket. Abrams is moderate enough not to galvanize the opposite side's Independents while also having some poll data to support the theory that she would turn out independents...and also, the other moderates that make it into the discussion are usually people I really don't like.

 

[Pressure]

Hit my deductible already as well. Had to have a colonoscopy

shyt cost around 3k all said and done.. glad it happened in early February I guess though

Crazy how much such a short procedure costs

 

[Bobhoward]

So do we think Bloomberg is getting bushed tonight or what?

I can’t see him coming off strong in a debate setting.. especially if people are coming for him. His ads definitely have really high production quality but when he talks he kind of sounds like an old Jewish woman.. and I guess he’s been known to be pretty irritable and standoffish in prior public appearances.. I’ll give him credit that he’s in a far better position than I ever expected him to be when he announced

 

[Bobhoward]

Crazy how much such a short procedure costs

yeah the actual procedure was like 30 mins. But they did bloodwork and the sedatives aren’t cheap. It is crazy though that it’s a super common in and out procedure that most adult males will have to get at least once in their lifetime and it’s still that expensive. 3k for a lot of people is a huge deal

 

[Pressure]

So do we think Bloomberg is getting bushed tonight or what?

I can’t see him coming off strong in a debate setting.. especially if people are coming for him. His ads definitely have really high production quality but when he talks he kind of sounds like an old Jewish woman.. and I guess he’s been known to be pretty irritable and standoffish in prior public appearances.. I’ll give him credit that he’s in a far better position than I ever expected him to be when he announced

I think he gets a lot of air time being its his first debate and I think he's going to flood the streets with ads from The debate the put him in a positive light.

His only goal is to siphon support from other moderates.

 

[wire28]

He should go with Klobuchar, show your willing to reach out and work with the moderate wing of the party. Don't make the same mistake Hillary made by picking Kaine and telling progressives to basically fukk off.

God help us all

 

[Poetical Poltergeist]

Crazy how much such a short procedure costs

My daughter had her tonsils taken out and it took 15 minutes to do so. Bill was outrageous.



America.

 

[Tommy Fits]

.....Amy is terrible. I’m okay with a moderate I guess, if they can get on message, but going with Amy would be terrible

Well what moderate would you choose because you need to reach out to that side of the party if you like it or not. You mentioned Trump and Pence and how he doubled down on the crazy but it's not true, he reached out to his weakness, the religious nuts, pence helped cement that vote. Bernie is going to have to do the same. In like klobuchar because her voice and story resonates in the rust belt, and that's where we're going to have to win if we want to win this election. Plus she probably helps lock up Minnesota which might be more purple than blue, and Republicans are pumping money into there because they think that's a state they can flip.