Fam, if this was going to work, Hillary would’ve done it. Every Democrat is called a socialist.dudes in here are REFUSING to apply what we know about the american people, to bernie's campaign
which is: once the right wing machine starts its smear of bernie as a communist who's taking "your money", he's toast
-the average american isn't gonna look at the breakdown of M4A and how it could save money, all they're gonna hear is "cuban hospitals"
-the average american is NOT going to respond well to "trump cut your taxes, bernie is running on raising them", which is....true
Official 2020 Democratic Primary Debate Thread
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Hubris...don't end up like she did
I'm not saying Trump can't win. He's the incumbent.
What I'm saying is that people predicting Bernie is going to uniquely lose in some kind of landslide are delusional. It doesn't square with the polarization of the electorate.
Dukakis was up 17% on Bush in July 1988. The polls swung 34% back and Bush ended up winning by 8% and over 400 electoral college votes. Bush had higher approvals.
McGovern was already losing to Nixon by double digits in 1971!
Are we going to compare Bernie to Mondale? Trump is going to win every state like Reagan in 1984? Really? With 44% average approval? Democrats gonna abandon Sanders to go to Trump in droves after hating his guts for 4 years?
The swing state poll is an aggregate of all of those states. Bernie for all we know is doing well in a few and doing worse in others.
If Trump is going to win re-election, its going to be in the same way he did in 2016. Narrow margins in places like WI, FL, etc. But his path to 270 electoral votes remains as narrow as it was back then.
Bernie has characteristics that are unfavorable. But his favorability ratings aren't nowhere close to that bad.
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A recession changes the game...or some sort of financial crash. Running on socialism in a strong economy is kind of 
Uno Venova
Your honor, I was merely capping.
Right wings tried to smear Obama as a socialist and it did nothingdudes in here are REFUSING to apply what we know about the american people, to bernie's campaign
which is: once the right wing machine starts its smear of bernie as a communist who's taking "your money", he's toast
-the average american isn't gonna look at the breakdown of M4A and how it could save money, all they're gonna hear is "cuban hospitals"
-the average american is NOT going to respond well to "trump cut your taxes, bernie is running on raising them", which is....true
Sanders plans and facts have already been under wild scrutiny and is still wildly popular
The reality is most Americans are happy.dudes in here are REFUSING to apply what we know about the american people, to bernie's campaign
which is: once the right wing machine starts its smear of bernie as a communist who's taking "your money", he's toast
-the average american isn't gonna look at the breakdown of M4A and how it could save money, all they're gonna hear is "cuban hospitals"
-the average american is NOT going to respond well to "trump cut your taxes, bernie is running on raising them", which is....true
New High of 90% of Americans Satisfied With Personal Life
But not only that, 2/3 are very satisfied.
The poll goes on to find that the least satisfied people are low income, single, democrats.
That obviously reflects well with Bernie's largest group of supporters.
So when push comes to shove, I have to agree, that if people are voting with their pocketbooks Trump might get another four.
Uno Venova
Your honor, I was merely capping.
I almost choked when I got to this
We're going to see how much Americans actually care about corruption.A recession changes the game...or some sort of financial crash. Running on socialism in a strong economy is kind of
With Bloomberg surging the way he has been, I'm not sure.
this is the fatal flaw i see with bernie's campaign:
his platform is clearly aimed at helping the lower half of the middle class...but they don't really vote like that
The Income Gap at the Polls
Voting and Income | Econofact
It so happens that the gap between voters and non-voters breaks down strongly along class lines. In the 2012 election, 80.2 percent of those making more than $150,000 voted, while only 46.9 percent of those making less than $10,000 voted.
a lot of people don't give a fukk about voting, which is fine. but they're probably the ones bernie needs to actually win, and im just not sure if it plays out like that when it's all said and done
I think healthcare is still the biggest issue to go after. Costs are up, access is being threatened and isn't universal. Dems agree on that by and large.
this is the fatal flaw i see with bernie's campaign:
his platform is clearly aimed at helping the lower half of the middle class...but they don't really vote like that
The Income Gap at the Polls
Voting and Income | Econofact
It so happens that the gap between voters and non-voters breaks down strongly along class lines. In the 2012 election, 80.2 percent of those making more than $150,000 voted, while only 46.9 percent of those making less than $10,000 voted.
a lot of people don't give a fukk about voting, which is fine. but they're probably the ones bernie needs to actually win, and im just not sure if it plays out like that when it's all said and done
That's the whole point though of expanding the electorate.
If you do, its a game changer. Half the country doesn't vote.