Official 2020 Democratic Primary Debate Thread

[dtownreppin214]

I'm not saying Trump can't win. He's the incumbent.

What I'm saying is that people predicting Bernie is going to uniquely lose in some kind of landslide are delusional. It doesn't square with the polarization of the electorate.

Dukakis was up 17% on Bush in July 1988. The polls swung 34% back and Bush ended up winning by 8% and over 400 electoral college votes. Bush had higher approvals.

McGovern was already losing to Nixon by double digits in 1971!

Are we going to compare Bernie to Mondale? Trump is going to win every state like Reagan in 1984? Really? With 44% average approval? Democrats gonna abandon Sanders to go to Trump in droves after hating his guts for 4 years?

The swing state poll is an aggregate of all of those states. Bernie for all we know is doing well in a few and doing worse in others.

If Trump is going to win re-election, its going to be in the same way he did in 2016. Narrow margins in places like WI, FL, etc. But his path to 270 electoral votes remains as narrow as it was back then.

Bernie has characteristics that are unfavorable. But his favorability ratings aren't nowhere close to that bad.

Breh I said he's the weakest SINCE Dukakis.

He's old, he has poor relationships with the party and certain minority groups, he's dependent on an unreliable voting bloc, he's not from a swing state, he won't be the beneficiary of positive media, and he's a gottdamn socialist attempting to start a revolution during relatively good times. You do realize how hard of a sale that's going to be particularly w/ Parscale having 2 billy and free reign on social media? Bernie needed an economic crash and Obamacare to be struck down to create the conditions for him to be viable.

 

[Dave24]

Tom Steyer is not gonna be in it??

 

[duncanthetall]

Tom Steyer is not gonna be in it??

Nope. He was whining about it the other day. Dudes got like one state he’s viable in. Dunno why he’s still wasting his money.

 

[Pressure]

I think healthcare is still the biggest issue to go after. Costs are up, access is being threatened and isn't universal. Dems agree on that by and large.

This is true. I honestly believe Trump can undercut a lot of this by making a push to bring down prescription drug prices between now and November.

Coworker told me he hit his deductible already. 800/mo for bipolar meds and 250 for counseling.

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

Pressure.

Oh. He’s supposed to be #1 on everybody’s ignore list.

Literally everything that nikka says is wrong. And he’s got the nerve to act all smug and personally insulting with his perpetually wrong takes.

Bernie will flop in the 2020 primary.

Biden will win the primary

Liz Warren will get black voters on board.

Impeachment for Ukrainegate alone is a political winner for Dems and will hurt Trump.

He should change his username to Wrong as that is a more accurate descriptor. He’s Nap minus the autism.

 

[FAH1223]

Breh I said he's the weakest SINCE Dukakis.

He's old, he has poor relationships with the party and certain minority groups, he's dependent on an unreliable voting bloc, he's not from a swing state, he won't be the beneficiary of positive media, and he's a gottdamn socialist attempting to start a revolution during relatively good times. You do realize how hard of a sale that's going to be particularly w/ Parscale having 2 billy and free reign on social media?

He's improving with African Americans. He's strong with Latinos. We'll see if unlikely voters turnout but I agree that's not a strategy to count on and if he wins the primary it'll be as a normie Dem.

Positive media coverage by who? FOX and the right? They'll be at war with any Dem. MSNBC is already negative as fukk on him right now. He isn't getting major newspaper endorsements. I mean, he is an anti-establishment politician.

Despite the divisions of the Dem party, I think they'll be largely united to get Trump out office.

Bernie attracts independents.

I'd say Bernie is a stronger candidate than John Kerry in 2004 if we're talking about Dem nominees facing incumbent GOP presidents. Atleast I know Sanders will fight back against the GOP incumbent and not lay down like a bytch.

That means it'll be another close election.

 

[duncanthetall]

Oh. He’s supposed to be #1 on everybody’s ignore list.

Literally everything that nikka says is wrong. And he’s got the nerve to act all smug and personally insulting with his perpetually wrong takes.

Bernie will flop in the 2020 primary.

Biden will win the primary

Liz Warren will get black voters on board.

Impeachment for Ukrainegate alone is a political winner for Dems and will hurt Trump.

He should change his username to Wrong as that is a more accurate descriptor. He’s Nap minus the autism.

Nap minus the autism

It’s honestly funny how some of the nikkas on here be acting like Joy or Dr Johnson whatever in how they’re so fukking sure about how correct they are all the time, but consistently end up being wrong. And yet, they never cease the condescending smug shyt like they actually know what the fukk they’re talking about.

 

[No1]

but not every democrat calls themself a socialist

He has polled like 25 points higher than the term socialism for 5 years.

 

[No1]

I told dudes this many months ago and they responded with polls...from months ago...

We been told ya'll, Americans will respond more positively to tax cuts even if that shyt only results in an $50 extra in their paychecks

THEY WANT TO BE fukkED...then complain about getting fukked...

Sanders is going to frame it as a tax cut (Medicare).

 

[dtownreppin214]

He's improving with African Americans. He's strong with Latinos. We'll see if unlikely voters turnout but I agree that's not a strategy to count on and if he wins the primary it'll be as a normie Dem.

Positive media coverage by who? FOX and the right? They'll be at war with any Dem. MSNBC is already negative as fukk on him right now. He isn't getting major newspaper endorsements. I mean, he is an anti-establishment politician.

Despite the divisions of the Dem party, I think they'll be largely united to get Trump out office.

Bernie attracts independents.

I'd say Bernie is a stronger candidate than John Kerry in 2004 if we're talking about Dem nominees facing incumbent GOP presidents. Atleast I know Sanders will fight back against the GOP incumbent and not lay down like a bytch.

That means it'll be another close election.

We'll see breh. We'll see.

That NBC poll had some interesting numbers. Some are good for Bernie (independents) but some are bad. He's going to need a quality woman VP candidate tho. This bloc was vital for us in 2018.

 

[Poetical Poltergeist]

A recession changes the game...or some sort of financial crash. Running on socialism in a strong economy is kind of

I just don't think Bernie can sell it. Especially to people who are not excited about voting in the first place.

 

[FAH1223]

We'll see breh. We'll see.

That NBC poll had some interesting numbers. Some are good for Bernie (independents) but some are bad. He's going to need a quality woman VP candidate tho. This bloc was vital for us in 2018.

I agree. His VP pick will be critical. And I think I’m almost certain he’s picking a woman.

 

[Pressure]

You know they big mad when they start making up shyt.

We're specifically talking about Bernie Sanders outperforming Joe Biden who according to polls is the preferred candidate.

In 2016 we were talking about Bernie Sanders losing that same vote to Hillary Clinton who was the eventual nominee and his primary competition.

Prior to Joe Biden throwing his name in the hate we posted tons of data showing how well Bernie Sanders is polling with blacks compared to other voters as evidence that he had overcome his 2016 hurdle.

I've responded to this, by consistently showing that he's always polled well among black voters, but he has not always polled well as there first choice candidate. Considering the decision is binary that matters.

Disregarding it, in part, disregards why he is unable to penetrate the very voters he or Warren will need to secure the nomination.

And I'm not playing dumb, Sanders supporters are setting up for the same failure as before. Sure you could possibly win the general election, but that means absolutely nothing if you don't secure the nomination.

And the south isn't nearly as liberal as you alls northern comfort zones. Culture and personality plays a part and not just saying my policies will help.

For all the jokes about hot sauce in the bag and doing the cha cha slide, that shyt works.

The argument you and others often make is that older, less progressive voters should vote for progressives because millennials won't turn out for them. But it's precisely why older voters get there preferred candidates through.

Younger voters need to become a consistent voting block in order to draw the attention of politicians. This is common sense. It's been discussed time and time again.

Or...they could wait until old people die and scrape up whatever is left of the country.

As far as why I don't support Bernie as my first choice. It's because he's too old.

But we've been over this.

 

[dtownreppin214]

I agree. His VP pick will be critical. And I think I’m almost certain he’s picking a woman.

I believe earlier in the campaign he said he was going to pick a woman.

 

[Tommy Fits]

Sanders supporters really really underestimating how much the average American hates change. Especially when you have a family, a decent job, monthly bills. Even if your life isn't that great, most don't want to upset that routine. When you're young, a massive change is easier to adjust to, you're more willing to take that chance. M4A is a massive change, the possibility of 1.8 million jobs on the line, tax increases, lesser medical care for those with private insurance. Or it could work out and we could improve medical care across the country, its a huge unknown and people don't like the unknown. A common argument I've heard, one which AOC has mentioned is the fact they could settle, eventually the publiccompromise for option, and yes they could. But they aren't campaigning on that, he's campaigning on M4A. That's a massive upheaval of the current system.