Obama Supporters ... what is it going to take for you to wake up?

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@JUSE_HEDD
... Still indefensible...

Just saying the track record speaks for itself. If anyone supported him then but doesn't support him now because of the NSA weren't paying attention and didn't listen...who's fault is that?

At what cost? Thousands of innocent civilians have been killed... the way Obama has pursued the drone war has been worse than anything Al-Q and the Taliban has ever done in my estimation... killing innocent civilians on purpose through double tap strikes, signature strikes etc, these are all horrendous war crimes.

It doesn't necessarily mean military officials purposely target kids and innocent civilians. I wish innocent civilians weren't killed either but it's a catch-22, when you try to take the big fish the civilians become an unfortunate collateral and a casualty of war.

Snowden is a hero, and the fact that he is alive is not a testament to Obama's humanity, it's a testament to the fulitity of the intelligence complex. Anwar al Awlaki was an American Citizen who did not get due process. If it spreading propaganda against America, why did that warrant his immediate death? And why was his son killed in a separate killing?

Didn't say it was a testament to his humanity, but your irrational thinking tries to percieve Obama as someone that just says "fukk it bomb anyone in the way!" when going after threatening targets. U.S. government officials said that Anwar was a senior talent recruiter and motivator who was involved in planning terrorist operations for the Islamist militant group al-Qaeda. If you are afraid you're going to get killed for hanging out with Al Qaeda and associating yourself with their operations, I'm sorry but maybe you should wisely choose a better group of friends.

Yes please teach me more about the economics 101

I'm curious to see what you know actually since you think Obama refuses to pull a lever that will fix the economy.

More benign sarcasm... The financial crisis DID start and end in Wall Street, it was the epicenter for global financial activity and guess what, it still is. Do I want to round up and prosecute those responsible for fraud? I would at least think that an investigation is in order. Lets start by arresting those we KNOW were complacent in fraud and other criminal activities. It's not as easy as I think, but you know what's even easier? Letting everyone walk.

What crimes could you prosecute/arrest them for specifically? Insider trading, money laundering, price fixing, fraud? Most of the activity the Wall street Bankers participated in that caused the subprime mortgage crisis and economic meltdown wasn't, in technical terms, illegal. Different levels of blame for the economic crash goes past just financial institutions, there were also regulators, credit agencies, and government housing policies that were responsible.

 

[kermit da hustla]

Mitt Romney and John Mccain where not better choices at the end of the day. It is what it is.

this is an understatement. coli critics of obama don't even know what his record is. they're reactionary twits who're easily influenced by bursts of hyperbolic news feeds that paint obama as this overreaching tyrant.

small-minded armchair pundits who aren't even worth debating.

 

[Born2BKing]

@Broke Wave

A note: I'm not a fan of simple responses as you well know. That entire "good" vs. "evil" dichotomy you drew up was something out of a George W. Bush play book. This is why you get people like JUSS HEDD on here defending Obama, your criticisms are devoid of critical reasoning half the time and are just knee-jerk reactions to "good" vs. "evil." I do grow weary of people on here who believe something, or want things to be one way and then do a 10 second google search to support what they believe is possible instead of actual research, and then get mad at me for pointing out as such.You're better than that, and you do it all the time too (and I know why, but I digress).

As for your SCOTUS question, all you have to do is search their decisions since the Warren Court ended. They've either empowered terrible legislative or executive decisions or they've scaled back progressive policies such as being able to hire individuals by taking into account past racism. They basically had a hand in ending many of the goals of the Civil Rights movement. They've even ruled that there is not a fundamental right to education which has allowed the piss poor system we have today in many instances. As someone who is a proponent of the "second bill of rights," I realize it is entirely impossible with this Supreme Court on the bench. But that's an essay before I'm off to work. If not the SCOTUS, the lower courts before you even reach that level.[/B][/COLOR][/FONT]

I am glad you bring up this point because this is why I usually don't entertain discussions regarding Obama on this website. Everything has become so simplistic to where it's just either he is the devil or the messiah. I wish we could be critical of Obama without slinging mud left and right. You can't ignore all the good things he has done and give them no merit but then single out everything he has done you don't agree with and give them supreme merit. No President will ever be able to satisfy everyone, being that we have so many different views and expectations in this country. I agreed with some things Bush did and totally disagreed with others but I DID NOT discredit the relevance of his accomplishments because of any preconceived notions. God it's like listening to Fox News or MSNBC on here these days.

 

[theworldismine13]

I wonder how many of the whiners are involved in local politics which can have just as much impact in your life, I'm sure there are city council, mayoral and congressional elections coming up, if you aren't involved in those and at the same time writing anti Obama essays I think you yourself might be the problem

I think one reality that people don't want to confront is that both bush and Obama are pretty representative of the American voter, a lot of these ideas you need guys talk about are out of the mainstream and a majority of voters would not agree with them, maybe it's hard to swallow but the average voter is not outraged about drone strikes and the NSA

Overall Obama is doing what he is supposed to do and what he said he was going to do which is stay in the middle

If you want to change America you have to change the American voter

If you want to change your community you start with your mayor and city council

Crying about Obama isn't going to change anything

 

[MMS]

I wonder how many of the whiners are involved in local politics which can have just as much impact in your life, I'm sure there are city council, mayoral and congressional elections coming up, if you aren't involved in those and at the same time writing anti Obama essays I think you yourself might be the problem

I think one reality that people don't want to confront is that both bush and Obama are pretty representative of the American voter, a lot of these ideas you need guys talk about are out of the mainstream and a majority of voters would not agree with them, maybe it's hard to swallow but the average voter is not outraged about drone strikes and the NSA

Overall Obama is doing what he is supposed to do and what he said he was going to do which is stay in the middle

If you want to change America you have to change the American voter

If you want to change your community you start with your mayor and city council

Crying about Obama isn't going to change anything

noone ever wants to hear this OR look this info up

you can change more in your own community than you ever will voting for federal officials

 

[A.R.$]

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yo where is this from?

 

[Higher Tech]

fan of the unions eh?

Spoiler

You think companies willfully pay a fair wage? History says no.

 

[Trip]

You think companies willfully pay a fair wage? History says no.

is it fair retired workers undefined pensions and health care fall on our laps when we're struggling?

 

[radio rahiem]

non-union workers

 

[Zapp Brannigan]

MORE INTERNET BRAVERY FROM HIGHER LEARNING!!!

 

[DEAD7]

You think companies willfully pay a fair wage? History says no.

What is that exactly?


and who determines whats fair? and how is it determined?

Spoiler

entry level jobs are not suppose to be a living wage... I dont know where the idea that you should be able to support a family flipping burgers came from but its silly.

 

[Brown_Pride]

I keep hearing, "McCain and Romney would have been worse" and what strikes me as most troubling is MOST PEOPLE SAY THIS.

WTF happened to this country where THAT is the best we can do? And actually isn't that what we've always done. Larger picture America has always fallen into that mental trap.

"well at least we're not nazis"
"well at least were not russians"

We've never really pressed for excellence to be excellent, we've always done it to ONE UP someone. Sadly somewhere along the line we got high on our own supply (see mindless USA #1 Chanting) and time passed us by. Sadly as with our election options the USA really isn't a bad option when compared to other places in the world. But when compared to it's own lofty ideals of liberty, freedom, justice, etc it falls short (as evident by the recent shredding of the constitution).

 

[franknitty711]

Look forward people. The popular vote voted for another Obama term. He is a lame duck president who probably does not care much about what people think anymore because he already secured his second term.

If you really want to type here and complain, do something about it and mobilize and vote in a better candidate next term. I think its safe to say we all got played thinking Obama was really going to make a difference. I agree with everything you are saying but why get upset about it? If you got hustled, just learn from it and hope you make better voting decisions going forward.

 

[the next guy]

I wonder how many of the whiners are involved in local politics which can have just as much impact in your life, I'm sure there are city council, mayoral and congressional elections coming up, if you aren't involved in those and at the same time writing anti Obama essays I think you yourself might be the problem

I think one reality that people don't want to confront is that both bush and Obama are pretty representative of the American voter, a lot of these ideas you need guys talk about are out of the mainstream and a majority of voters would not agree with them, maybe it's hard to swallow but the average voter is not outraged about drone strikes and the NSA

Overall Obama is doing what he is supposed to do and what he said he was going to do which is stay in the middle

If you want to change America you have to change the American voter

If you want to change your community you start with your mayor and city council

Crying about Obama isn't going to change anything

Your average voter is more concerned with popular culture and only votes every 4 years. That says more about them than anyone here, regardless of what side they are on. And it says a lot about you too if you condone it, as this post seems to imply.

 

[the next guy]

this is an understatement. coli critics of obama don't even know what his record is. they're reactionary twits who're easily influenced by bursts of hyperbolic news feeds that paint obama as this overreaching tyrant.

small-minded armchair pundits who aren't even worth debating.

Why do you even try. You are a mixed race and you pretend to go hard on this site all the time. You are the biggest critic of other posters. Come on guy. Who are you fooling?