"NYK will surprise the NBA"...I believe 'em too. 19-20 NYK Offseason Thread

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Ntlikina gonna have to get it where he fit in and stay ready I don’t know where he’s getting consistent minutes or who he’s playing above

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I think they set it up for him to be on the outside looking in. No way Payton came here without expecting minutes (he's said as much) and DSJ deserves his look. But in a long season and capable of playing 1-3, Frank should get opportunities when injuries happen or during long road stretches where players need rest. I just want a true merit based rotation. I don't mind RJ or Knox off the bench if they can't outplay other guys, but I don't want another situation like last year where Mitch did well as a starter but came off the bench for two months too long because Enes Kanter was salty. I'm nervous that pleasing the newcomers on short term contracts will conflict with playing our youth (and I'm not talking about Frank here).
 

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Yeah, but you could also make a case the Frank fans have unnecessarily shytted on Fizdale, DSJ, Mudiay, etc., because of undying support for Frank. Objectively speaking, Ntilikina had a terrible rookie year, which was understandable, but he made zero to very little tangible improvements in his sophomore year. It's still fair to be skeptical for him and his path to getting minutes will be difficult. There is a log jam in most positions on the team. If he could leapfrog Payton based on his individual play, I'd be happy

I don't think the critiques of Fiz or Mudiay were simply because of Frank there was more to them. DSJ, I don't even remember catching much heat besides some exasperation that his injuries meant we had to watch Mudiay again.

With Mudiay, he just wasn't good and became a score first guard right before our eyes. He tied a career low in APG while notching the second most minutes of his career; didn't play a lick of defense; and it was plain to see that he had no future with the team. He was a waste of minutes and not good enough to excuse it...forget Frank, Kadeem Allen was superior to him.

With Fiz, prioritizing keeping vets happy and being completely unable to develop an identity for the team was the problem. His offensive system never got past some of the most simplistic schemes. You could argue that his hands were tied because of the talent on the roster, but there's a reason no one can make a firm rotation prediction and it goes beyond our many logjams. For this team to succeed, they'll need an offensive system with more plays involved and also he needs to actually have accountability on defense. Players regressed defensively last year (Frank included) and bad habits started to develop (Dotson sleeping on the backdoor cuts for example).

As far as Ntilikina, yep he objectively regressed last year. That's still not a reason to cut him when he's 21, cost controlled, plays high level defense and we don't need the roster space or the cap space with so many player options and being years away from contention. This isn't an argument that he belongs in or out of the rotation. It's that you don't throw away a prospect just to throw him away. Pick up his option and if it's not working out try to deal him at the deadline, he showed enough in FIBA that the Knicks should at least be able to recoup a second round pick for him in that case. His contract is too low and he tracks as at least a defensive specialist, someone will take him. But if you don't pick up his option and things aren't working out, teams might as well wait for him to expire instead.
 

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Dead ass...imma need some quotes. Any shytting on Fiz would've been after a loss, Mudiay has BEEN ass, and I don't recall DSJR getting shytted on for Frank ever
the thing is, mudiay played way better den frank last year and actually ressurected his career a bit. had several very good games and got a contract with one of da best teams in da league because of it.

but youll say hes ass at da blink of an eye, but act like frank is some type of hidden treasure/great player whos being held back.

when in actuality, hes been trash the last two years and has had mulitple opportunies to prove himself.

lets see if he can improve this year, hes off to a good start.
 

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the thing is, mudiay played way better den frank last year and actually ressurected his career a bit. had several very good games and got a contract with one of da best teams in da league because of it.

but youll say hes ass at da blink of an eye, but act like frank is some type of hidden treasure/great player whos being held back.

when in actuality, hes been trash the last two years and has had mulitple opportunies to prove himself.

lets see if he can improve this year, hes off to a good start.
I won't argue that Mud improved his game with us but at the same time his improved stats came at a detriment to team cohesion and winning. The defense, both individually and as a team was horrible when he got decent minutes. And I would prefer the Knicks play a worse point guard with better defense to develop him than to play a better point guard who makes the team worse.
 
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this team has potential to be a train wreck
too many players that do da same shyt expecting playing time
could be worse den last year
I'm kinda thinking the same, there's potential for a lot of controversy over pt, especially if Frank's play carries over to the season. The guys on the 2 year deals are gonna wanna play, point blank, since they're essentially on "prove it" deals. The younger guys deserve some pt too, but its hard to see how pt is gonna be evenly split among them; their pt will probably depend on the match up and that might frustrate them.

I still think the Knicks are a 30 to 35 win team, but it's a long range of possible outcomes for the season, both good and bad.
 
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the thing is, mudiay played way better den frank last year and actually ressurected his career a bit. had several very good games and got a contract with one of da best teams in da league because of it.

but youll say hes ass at da blink of an eye, but act like frank is some type of hidden treasure/great player whos being held back.

when in actuality, hes been trash the last two years and has had mulitple opportunies to prove himself.

lets see if he can improve this year, hes off to a good start.
Man gtfoh :laff::laff: this man said Doodiay resurrected his career! You stay with the trashiest hottakes. Then he said we gon be worst then last year :dead:
 

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I'm kinda thinking the same, there's potential for a lot of controversy over pt, especially if Frank's play carries over to the season. The guys on the 2 year deals are gonna wanna play, point blank, since they're essentially on "prove it" deals. The youngers guys deserve some pt too, but its hard to see how pt is gonna be evenly split among them; their pt will probably depend on the matchup and that might frustrate them.

I still think the Knicks are a 30 to 35 win team, but there are long range of possible outcomes for the season, both good and bad.
30-35 wins is the goal! I’d be elated to reach that. If fiz could make the lineup work and find who meshes well with each other then it would be a better season than we expected.

That said Jonathan macri from knicks film school has hinted at playing frank with ball dominant players like RJ or DSJ. Some one at the guard position that can handle the scoring load kind of like France had de colo or Fournier playing next to him. They shared minutes running the point, had frank guarding the toughest assignment and him running of screens and going to his spots.
 

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Man gtfoh :laff::laff: this man said Doodiay resurrected his career! You stay with the trashiest hottakes. Then he said we gon be worst then last year :dead:
you clearly dont watch if you dont think mudiay had a bounce back year. i said several times going into the season that hes da worst pg in da league and shouldnt get any playing time. but he ended up having a good season.which is why da jazz signed him. i dont have agendas like you, i just call it how i see it.





he did not have games like that in the previous season. theres some other games as well. but again, you got an agenda. i dont.

and i never said we would be a worse team this year . thats almost impossible to accomplish. learn how to read beloved
 

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you clearly dont watch if you dont think mudiay had a bounce back year. i said several times going into the season that hes da worst pg in da league and shouldnt get any playing time. but he ended up having a good season.which is why da jazz signed him. i dont have agendas like you, i just call it how i see it.





he did not have games like that in the previous season. theres some other games as well. but again, you got an agenda. i dont.

and i never said we would be a worse team this year . thats almost impossible to accomplish. learn how to read beloved

Na you said we’d be worst than last year.shall I bring up the quote ?:mjgrin:

I guess you could say mudiay improved his numbers scoring wise but he wasn’t efficient, he was a black hole and didn’t set his teammates up for success which is one of a pg main job.

Oh I have an agenda ? Just wanna see the knicks succeed and we don’t need another ball dominant guard. We plenty to choose from. We need unselfish players to share the ball and we need to have a perimeter defender that doesn’t let wing players get in the paint and get Mitch in foul trouble quickly.:yeshrug:
 
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