NXT vs AEW Ratings Thread

[Rayzah]

no the WWF did not create the term hulkamania. the music and the red/yellow?? yes they added that stuff, but they didnt create hulkamania. a simple google search would instantly tell you otherwise, but you seem content with typing essays that consist of nothing but you throwing chit at the wall, and hoping it sticks. I cant stand posters like you.

PPVs?? nobody was doing PPVs. dog, do you have any clue what you be arguing about??

john cena is no bigger than say batista. people who don't watch wrestling, generally don't know that they were wrestlers homie. in fairness, the same could be said for Hogan's first role but his chit wasn't facilitated.

john cena was never the most over or most popular. he was force-fed as the face of a company who knew that it was all about the logo at that point and they could push whoever they wanted to the moon and get the same results at the very least. he was nowhere near being some sort of game-changing star.

I forgot to address this, no one was doing PPV's, until Vince did it. Vince was using CC tv at first then ppv later. The biggest star in the biggest company during at the time the peak of wrestling boom was Hogan.. They reached the largest audience, mostly because of hogan. AWA didnt know how to do any of that

Articale on why AWA failed

However, by 1983, Gagne faced three problems- an inability to fully grasp the competitive nature of the WWF’s new owner, Vincent Kennedy McMahon, an overreliance on veteran stars, and an inability to recognise changing trends in the busines

n his book, Inside Out: How Corporate America Destroyed Professional Wrestling, Ole Anderson recalls warning Verne Gagne about Vince McMahon’s aggressive tactics, only for Gagne to sceptically tell him it couldn’t happen.

According to Anderson, “Two hours later, Verne got a call from the person he had handling San Francisco. The guy said, ‘Verne, we just lost the TV station.’” (Anderson and Teal 227). Like his fellow promoters in the NWA, Gagne was painfully learning of how different (and difficult) the wrestling business was becoming.

The AWA also suffered because Verne Gagne had trouble spotting new trends in wrestling. Case in point, Gagne’s mistake in letting Hulk Hogan slip through his fingers. In his autobiography, Hollywood Hulk Hogan, Hogan claims he left the AWA due to a squabble over merchandising and Gagne wanting a percentage of Hogan’s pay from his tours in Japan. When the two failed to reach an agreement, Hogan accepted Vince McMahon’s offer to join the WWF and become WWF Champion.

Other accounts state Gagne was reluctant to put the belt on a non-wrestler. Gagne hired Hogan when he had mainstream recognition (thanks to his appearance in Rocky III and subsequent publicity appearances on The Tonight Show) and was instrumental in Hogan developing his mic skills, but in the end, Gagne’s shortsightedness led to his losing Hogan to the WWF. Even when he signed the Road Warriors, Gagne failed to see the potential of a series against the Fabulous Freebirds.

The American Wrestling Association (AWA) - gone but not forgotten

WWF started doing PPV in 85 a year after they signed Hogan, awa wasnt going to do that, Vince an WWF blew up because he thought outside the box and knew how to make wrestling mainstream, and he made Hogan bigger than he ever could of been cause his wrestling company was bigger than all the others

The NWA-associated Jim Crockett Promotions began running Starrcade shows in November of 1983 on closed circuit. McMahon created WrestleMania in 1985 and chose the same way to deliver it to the audience.

He was not content with just one major show a year, though.

On Nov. 7, 1985, WWE produced an event dubbed "The Wrestling Classic." That night Junkyard Dog defeated Randy Savage in the tournament finals and fans watched that victory on pay-per-view.

The second annual WrestleMania was a pay-per-view event as well.

So all this talk about AWA creating hogan has been proved wrong, So you should drop that talking point

Wrestling companies need big stars to push, at least a Cena level star to really compete with WWE. You need someone that has popularity outside the industry. I been saying this same thing for two weeks and all you do is spit out biased BS that cant be proven and tell me im not a real wrestling fan even though I watch NJPW and AEW and I watched LU but it will never be good enough for you cause I dont watch fukking impact.. only on the fukking internet[/quote][/quote]

 

[DoubleJ13]

 

[MenacingMonk]

Da hell happened to this thread? shyt just keeps on going downhill.

 

[krackdagawd]

Now these reddit cacs defending hoegan

 

[Wacky D]

I forgot to address this, no one was doing PPV's, until Vince did it. Vince was using CC tv at first then ppv later. The biggest star in the biggest company during at the time the peak of wrestling boom was Hogan.. They reached the largest audience, mostly because of hogan. AWA didnt know how to do any of that

Articale on why AWA failed

The American Wrestling Association (AWA) - gone but not forgotten

WWF started doing PPV in 85 a year after they signed Hogan, awa wasnt going to do that, Vince an WWF blew up because he thought outside the box and knew how to make wrestling mainstream, and he made Hogan bigger than he ever could of been cause his wrestling company was bigger than all the others


So all this talk about AWA creating hogan has been proved wrong, So you should drop that talking point

Wrestling companies need big stars to push, at least a Cena level star to really compete with WWE. You need someone that has popularity outside the industry. I been saying this same thing for two weeks and all you do is spit out biased BS that cant be proven and tell me im not a real wrestling fan even though I watch NJPW and AEW and I watched LU but it will never be good enough for you cause I dont watch fukking impact.. only on the fukking internet

youre all over the place. im not even arguing about any of that stuff.

I never said that the AWA created hulk Hogan. I simply said that the WWF didn't create him either, nor did they create the majority of the stars that dudes like you give them credit for.

if the WWF was so much greater, why weren't they doing PPVs until a year after Hogan got there?? surely, they would've already been doing them long before they signed Hogan, right??

we really don't know what the AWA would've eventually done. like I pointed out, they had the CBS deal for Hogan versus Andre in place all the way back in 1982, but didn't make Hogan aware of that and a lot of other things.
with all that said, do I think the AWA would've been as big as the WWF if they kept Hogan and the rest of the guys that jumped to the WWF?? no, because verne gagne wouldn't have been willing to overly commercialize the business the way that vince did, plus he was a tight-wad & an a$$hole who didn't respect his top-talents like he should have. but at the same time, the WWF make as big of a jump if verne doesn't stiff Hogan out of money.

of course companies need stars. like I said, I don't even know why we're having this argument. I was telling you that the AEW does indeed have stars in the wrestling world that are just as hot as anybody in the WWE. as far as crossover stars, outside of maybe brock lesnar, there havnt been any since the Monday night wars. john cena isn't as big as you think he is. and a john cena level star isn't moving the needle for any company trying to come-up. you brought up roman reigns failing, but that's due to the fact that he got no-sold the minute the crowd realized they had a new super cena on their hands.

as for the last comment, I done told you 100 times already, I don't care if you don't watch impact. just understand that youre not qualified to make bold statements about it. just stay in your lane and stop pump-faking. youre a semi-casual fan who admittedly only follows the big-budget companies that are trending. those are basically your own words right there. and theres nothing wrong with that. the problem is, you want to front like you are more than you are. THATS THAT CHIT I DONT LIKE. now watch you ignore what I just said and go back to repeating the same bullchit in your next post.

 

[Rayzah]

youre all over the place. im not even arguing about any of that stuff.

I never said that the AWA created hulk Hogan. I simply said that the WWF didn't create him either, nor did they create the majority of the stars that dudes like you give them credit for.

if the WWF was so much greater, why weren't they doing PPVs until a year after Hogan got there?? surely, they would've already been doing them long before they signed Hogan, right??

we really don't know what the AWA would've eventually done. like I pointed out, they had the CBS deal for Hogan versus Andre in place all the way back in 1982, but didn't make Hogan aware of that and a lot of other things.
with all that said, do I think the AWA would've been as big as the WWF if they kept Hogan and the rest of the guys that jumped to the WWF?? no, because verne gagne wouldn't have been willing to overly commercialize the business the way that vince did, plus he was a tight-wad & an a$$hole who didn't respect his top-talents like he should have. but at the same time, the WWF make as big of a jump if verne doesn't stiff Hogan out of money.

of course companies need stars. like I said, I don't even know why we're having this argument. I was telling you that the AEW does indeed have stars in the wrestling world that are just as hot as anybody in the WWE. as far as crossover stars, outside of maybe brock lesnar, there havnt been any since the Monday night wars. john cena isn't as big as you think he is. and a john cena level star isn't moving the needle for any company trying to come-up. you brought up roman reigns failing, but that's due to the fact that he got no-sold the minute the crowd realized they had a new super cena on their hands.

as for the last comment, I done told you 100 times already, I don't care if you don't watch impact. just understand that youre not qualified to make bold statements about it. just stay in your lane and stop pump-faking. youre a semi-casual fan who admittedly only follows the big-budget companies that are trending. those are basically your own words right there. and theres nothing wrong with that. the problem is, you want to front like you are more than you are. THATS THAT CHIT I DONT LIKE. now watch you ignore what I just said and go back to repeating the same bullchit in your next post.

you literarly said hulkamania was created in awa... but you too proud to admit you were wrong.. your hatred for Cena doesnt allow you to recognize how big he was fine... This is stupid

 

[Breh Obama]

Brehs literally be on here giving themselves stress and high blood pressure over wrestling

 

[Wacky D]

you literarly said hulkamania was created in awa... but you too proud to admit you were wrong.. your hatred for Cena doesnt allow you to recognize how big he was fine... This is stupid

hulkamania was being referenced in the AWA circa '82-83.

what hatred?? I don't care about no john cena. LOL.

 

[jerniebert]

 

[Dolo]

 

[Beautiful Bobby Eatin]

This thread is gonna be crickets this week I bet

 

[Tres Leches]

I think the nxt number is 700 nothing to see here lets move on to next week

 

[JerseyBoy23]

What was the early NBA game last night? I'm kind of surprised that AEW almost beat it.

Edit: Found NXT's number

55 WWE NXT: WWE NXT USA NETWORK 8:00 PM 0.19 721,000

 

[3Rivers]

I think the nxt number is 700 nothing to see here lets move on to next week

721,000

 

[Larry]

NXT lookin funny in the light






they fumbled by going on holiday after they had momentum. It’s back to the bushes for em