NSA Wiretapping and Snowden on the run

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What justification? It's a program that's been going on since 2002 (don't buy that 2007 bullshyt).

Don't worry. Barack H.W. Bush will keep you safe from the turrists.
 

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Anyone out there planning a revolution better invent a new language or plan that shyt telepathically. These muthafukkers took abuse of power way beyond anything ever.
 

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Does it matter?

Before the French Revolution, far worse things were occurring at the hands of the French Monarchs. Louis the 16th was level headed Monarch when compared to some of his predecessors, but people were fed up and things he did set them off, even if they had occurred under his predecessors.

In Turkey, things far worse were going on. It's when the people were faced with oppression when trying to protest the closure of a park that things boiled over.

In the Arab Spring, it was one man setting himself on fire and shed light to some of what their dictators were doing.

My point? Sometimes it's things like this coming forth that begin to right the ship.

I see your point, but I completely, utterly disagree. Our populace is so ignorant, conditioned, and comfortable to even contemplate a revolution. Things aren't that desperate. There are always fringe people in societies, but there isn't a truly organic movement in our country that would stir up a revolution at this point.

For that to happen it would take a well-funded country to stir some shyt up within, or some incredibly dire situation that an outside force could take advantage of.

Most revolutions start as a spark, but an outside force dumps kerosene on it to cause an inferno.

Anybody who read a Tom Clancy book a decade ago or something similar knew about government surveillance shyt for years; I'd venture to say it goes even further back. People just don't flatout care, and frankly, neither do I, but I think it's important people are aware of what's going on.

Our government is careful enough to condition the people to see these policies as good things; they perpetuate the facade of imminent danger from terrorists out to get them and you can continue to pass and justify legislation like this.

It's the same reason people stood up and chanted USA following the Boston bombings that still reek of a bullshyt cover up. Condition people that you're out to protect them and you need not fear a revolt.

If one were to happen in this country, I don't see it happening in the next century unless of course a foreign power truly went out of their way to create one.
 

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doesnt sound like 'conspiraceh nuttery' now does it? with microsoft's new trojan box (xbox one), the gov will have a nice way to always be able to listen in on conversations anyone is having as well as constantly being able to detect how many people are in the room and see them via night vision, etc.
 

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what was he supposed to do exactly? explain it to me.

how about not keep it a secret until it was uncovered by muckrakers?

how about initiating the push to amend the current legislation that allows this stalking?

i could write a fukken book about what he should have done. he is spineless as are his masters
 

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“This (Bush) administration also puts forward a false choice between the liberties we cherish and the securities we provide. I will provide our intelligence and law enforcement agencies with the tools they need to track and take out the terrorists without undermining our constitution and our freedom. That means no more illegal wiretapping of American citizens. No more National Security letters to spy on citizens who are not suspected of a crime. No more tracking of citizens who do nothing more than protest a misguided war. No more ignoring the law when it is inconvenient. That is not who we are. That’s now what is necessary to defeat the terrorists. The FISA Court works. The separation of powers works. Our constitution works. We will again set an example to the world that the law is not subject to the whims of stubborn rulers and that justice is not arbitrary. This administration acts like violating civil liberties is the way to enhance our security. It is not. There are no shortcuts to protecting America.”

- Barack Obama, 2007
 

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conspiracy theorists are :win: more and more every single days, brehs.

folks will really be in for a doozy when those 'urban warfare' weapons they were supposedly using in the mountainous regions of afghanistan make their appearance here... americans will have the pleasure of being fried with microwave beams via the ADS (Active Denial System) or being splattered by drones which were fitted with weapons.
 

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America has slowly been taking the steps to becoming an authoritarian regime. The writing has been on the wall and it's even more clear now. What makes this and the numerous other acts of this administration any different than many of the acts that took place in 1984? Where are the checks and balances that once made American democracy unique? It certainly is interesting to think about.
 

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here's another treat for you:

NSA $2 billion Utah-based facility can process yottabytes of information - Charlotte City Buzz | Examiner.com




The National Security Agency (NSA) is gearing up to spy on American using ‘dumb’ home appliances i.e. refrigerators, ovens and lighting systems which are connected to the Internet.
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In fact the NSA is already building a gigantic supercomputer to process a gigantic amount of information. It’s a $2 billion Utah-based facility that can process yottabytes (a quadrillion gigabytes) of data, according to the Gizmondo technology blog.

HOW BIG IS A YOTTABYTE - BIGGER THAN YOU CAN EVEN IMAGINE!

The yottabyte (derived from the SI prefix yotta-) is a unit of information or computer storage equal to one septillion (one long scale quadrillion or 1024) bytes (one quadrillion gigabytes). The unit symbol for the yottabyte is YB.

As of 2011, no storage system has achieved one zettabyte of information. The combined space of all computer hard drives in the world does not amount to even one yottabyte, but was estimated at approximately 160 exabytes in 2006. As of 2009, the entire Internet was estimated to contain close to 500 exabytes.When used with byte multiples, the SI prefix indicates a power of 1000:
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1000000000000000000000000bytes = 10008 or 1024 bytes

The term "yobibyte" (YiB), using a binary prefix, is used for the corresponding power of 1024.

It will be the centerpiece for something called the Global Information Grid and is set to go live in September 2013.

The NSA maintains that the “data center”, to be completed by September 2013, is a component of the “Comprehensive National Cyber-security Initiative”.

The facility is to provide technical assistance to the Department of Homeland Security, collect intelligence on cyber threats and carry out cyber-security objectives, reported Reuters.

But both ordinary Americans and their intelligence community were quick to dub it “a spy center.”

“It will basically monitor everything phone calls, text messages, emails, parking tickets, public records, employment, taxes, power usage, utility records, bank accounts”, says Jill Dyson of Charlotte, N.C. the author of various classified reports on the NSA for the Occupy Charlotte Movement.

“This is more than just a data center,” an official source close to the project told the online magazine Wired.com. The source says the center will actually focus on deciphering the accumulated data, essentially code-breaking. This means not only exposing Facebook activities or Wikipedia requests, but compromising “the invisible” Internet, or the “deepnet.” Legal and business deals, financial transactions, password-protected files and inter-governmental communications will all become vulnerable.

“It is the next generation of domestic spying”, says Paul Queen of Charlotte. “Once communication data is stored, data-mining can begin. That is when control will happen”, he said.

Wired.com puts it.this way: ““the most covert and potentially most intrusive intelligence agency ever.”

The spy center will simply collect all the data there is to be collected.

Virtually, no one can escape the new surveillance, created in the US for the War on Terror.

Some data, of course, would be crucial in the anti-terrorism battle: exposing potential adversaries. The question is how the NSA defines who is and who is not a potential adversary.

EVERYONE IS A TARGET

“Everybody is a target; everybody with communication is a target,” remarks another source close to the Utah project.

According to Russian media sources the data storage in Utah, with its 1 million square feet of enclosed space, is “virtually bottomless”, given that a terabyte can now be stored on a tiny flash drive. Now image a 240 acre facility and you can get a scope of how much information can be stored at the Utah facility.

BUGGING THEMSELVES

CIA Chief David Petraeus admitted, with a smile recently, speaking at *speaking at a summit for In-Q-Tel, the CIA front venture capital firm, that Americans were effectively “bugging themselves and making it easy for spy agencies to peek in on their lives”.

TRANSFORMATIONAL

“Transformational’ is an overused word”, he said “but I do believe it properly applies to these technologies, particularly to their effect on clandestine tradecraft,” Petraeus noted.

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“Items of interest will be located, identified, monitored, and remotely controlled through technologies such as radio-frequency identification, sensor networks, tiny embedded servers, and energy harvesters — all connected to the next-generation Internet using abundant, low-cost, and high-power computing,” Petraeus explained. “The latter now going to cloud computing, in many areas greater and greater supercomputing, and, ultimately, heading to quantum computing.”

Robert Tilford

Charlotte, N.C.
 

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how about not keep it a secret until it was uncovered by muckrakers?

how about initiating the push to amend the current legislation that allows this stalking?

i could write a fukken book about what he should have done. he is spineless as are his masters

How was he supposed to do that?



:heh:
 

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Something needs to be done/someone held accountable, other than the ridiculous suggestion by Feinstein that "but but but it is legal, look!"

At the very least Holder should be impeached for committing perjury twice, both in regards to investigating reporters and for lying under oath about his knowledge of operation fast & furious. Repubtards are dancing in the streets because the NSA, DOJ and IRS are fukking the white houses shyt up.
 
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