NSA Wiretapping and Snowden on the run

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its the exact same information .....if you choose not to look at a larger paradigm thats fine ............sorta like the BillyDeeBergs getting international attention for the first time, when for years they said there was no such organization .... I'm just pointing out a regular thing that happens when the information comes from a non-MSM source ...

Don't act like its not true.... :rudy: ........

Mannequins......................... but again its not important..... just happy folks not sheepling as bad as they use too honestly .......

Because it is not true:stopitslime::stopitslime: The way Greenwald can make the legal arguments to go along with investigative journalism has no equal in the alex jones conspiracy world, How many of these illumanti believing clowns have done something on the same level as Scahill's "Dirty Wars"?
 

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Because it is not true:stopitslime::stopitslime: The way Greenwald can make the legal arguments to go along with investigative journalism has no equal in the alex jones conspiracy world, How many of these illumanti believing clowns have done something on the same level as Scahill's "Dirty Wars"?

:patrice: really breh, seriously ...... one documentary that hasn't even been released yet (I'm sure its good though) breh ........ :comeon:

Stop..........seriously?????............................how many people have been interviewed alone, not to mention the documentaries, the articles by the alternative media that have actually worked in their fields and talk about things the MSM will not touch with a 100 foot pole.... please.... :huhldup:
 

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:patrice: really breh, seriously ...... one documentary that hasn't even been released yet (I'm sure its good though) breh ........ :comeon:

Stop..........seriously?????............................how many people have been interviewed alone, not to mention the documentaries, the articles by the alternative media that have actually worked in their fields and talk about things the MSM will not touch with a 100 foot pole.... please.... :huhldup:

:heh::heh: GTFOH with this bullshyt, no matter how many links you post up of these nwo is around the corner clowns no one takes them seriously. Meanwhile real journalist and intellectuals who are also not apart of the MSM will continue to bless us with hard hitting news and facts without all that extra shyt. What get's on my nerves is that people like you and Kevm3 think the average person doesn't take your conspiracy theory stuff seriously because it's outside the mainstream, when in reality people don't take it seriously because the work is usually lazy, half-assed, sensationalist, narrow minded, agenda driven, and easily refuted. :heh::heh:
 

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yall trolls are confusing me ............. :mindblown:

when HL is provided with alternative media links showing this information from years ago ....... we are greeted with :pacspit::childplease::angry:


Yall are fake/faux as mannequins...................................................... :dead: :deadmanny: :deadrose:

Doesn't matter though, the fact is the Twlight Zone Matrix is chilling in the cut.................................................its disgusting.....glad people are at least waking up a little bit.....

:what: What the fukk are you talking about? I've been a fan of Glenn Greewald's work for years. He's a real journalist. Don't compare him to the drooling mouth-breathers you listen to and take seriously.

Why are you such an idiot? Stop dwelling in this binary alternate universe where everybody's either a conspiratard or a CNN zombie. It only exists in your head.
 

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Not really. Those companies have policies and restrictions in place that prevent them from holding your data indefinitely or from selling your information to 3rd parties.

You must not be too familiar with Facebook, Google, Amazon or Apple. Just because its not the gov't doesn't mean its not a third party.

I'm sure most of their policies have evolved to allow the government access as required by law, but were these agreements in place at the time that their customers agreed to do business with them? Has the law been fully adjudicated if everything is confidential? If a company like Facebook is denying taking part in PRISM, while obviously doing so, are they in violation of their own user agreements?

Regardless if they stored and shared your information with the government or not they did store and share your information for a certain purpose.



Now that this is out in the open, it gives us the opportunity to discuss and bring suits against these companies and the government to address the issue. It also allows users to vote with their wallets and take their services to companies that are not participating in PRISM.

That's fair....I'm just dumbfounded by the shock, faux outrage, and hyperbole when this was known the always been the case with data being stored, tracked, and analyzed.
 

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:heh::heh: GTFOH with this bullshyt, no matter how many links you post up of these nwo is around the corner clowns no one takes them seriously. Meanwhile real journalist and intellectuals who are also not apart of the MSM will continue to bless us with hard hitting news and facts without all that extra shyt. What get's on my nerves is that people like you and Kevm3 think the average person doesn't take your conspiracy theory stuff seriously because it's outside the mainstream, when in reality people don't take it seriously because the work is usually lazy, half-assed, sensationalist, narrow minded, agenda driven, and easily refuted. :heh::heh:

What's intellectually lazy is waiting for some 'intellectual' to tell you what you could have seen with your own eyes. lol@ calling us intellectually lazy when you are finally coming to the same realizations that cats have been saying for YEARS but fail to believe until one of their favorite 'intellectual heads' brings the obvious to light.

What have I said that was easily refuted? Timmy Geitner admitting he's open to a universal currency? Dimitri Medevdev actualyl holding up a 'prototype universal currency'? Drones flying overhead in American cities that can be retrofitted with weapons, the proliferation of 'urban control weaponry'? Mass government spying? Mobile checkpoints? Barack Obama being a puppet and a snake? The move to put the masses on a 'smart grid'?
 

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following the battle between the emoprogs( emotional progressives) and the obamatons on twitter is eye opening. talk about two batshyt crazy wings of the left. greenwald and obama are probably the two biggest cult leaders in america judging by their followers behavior.
 

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99% of the population shouldn't be worried about this. Nobody cares that your phone is a three way walkie talkie to your mom and girlfriend. You only should be worried if you're participating in illegal activities.
 

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What's intellectually lazy is waiting for some 'intellectual' to tell you what you could have seen with your own eyes. lol@ calling us intellectually lazy when you are finally coming to the same realizations that cats have been saying for YEARS but fail to believe until one of their favorite 'intellectual heads' brings the obvious to light.

What have I said that was easily refuted? Timmy Geitner admitting he's open to a universal currency? Dimitri Medevdev actualyl holding up a 'prototype universal currency'? Drones flying overhead in American cities that can be retrofitted with weapons, the proliferation of 'urban control weaponry'? Mass government spying? Mobile checkpoints? Barack Obama being a puppet and a snake? The move to put the masses on a 'smart grid'?

Yo check my post history slime I have been posting about civil liberties and the surveillance state for a minute now, and I don't need to go to conspiracy sites to get my information or come to my conclusions. You guys ALWAYS use the same lame ass argument, thinking you were hip to some new shyt before everyone else. I swear you negro's remind of dudes who used to rock fugazi Jordans and BAPE's thinking they was stunting on folks. Jim Rickards among other finance writers has been writing about SDR's for a minute now and mutlinational currencies have been written about and discussed in many mainstream Econ journals and there are arguments for and against. Not some ish that is hidden behind some grand wall of secrecy. One can come to the conclusion that the Euro was a shytty idea without co-signing dumbass illumanati conspiracy theories.
 

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King: Journalists in classified leak cases should face punishment – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs


Rep. Peter King said Tuesday night that journalists tied to leaks involving classified programs should be punished along with those who leaked the information.

"If they willingly knew that this was classified information, I think actions should be taken, especially on something of this magnitude," King told CNN's Anderson Cooper.




This shyt is bigger than Obama. :merchant:
Citizens that are Republicans or Democrats think that they're guy is gonna be different when it comes to national security but in actuality the foundation was laid a long time ago and the house was built with the Patriotic Act.
 

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Get your :popcorn: ready for 2 pm (ET) today.......

C-SPAN | Congress, Politics, Books, U.S. History

NSA Chief Testifies at Cybersecurity Hearing

NSA chief Gen. Keith Alexander is one of the witnesses at a Senate Appropriations Committee hearing on enduring cybersecurity threats. He takes questions on recent leaks revealing the extent of domestic phone surveillance by the NSA.

LIVE Today at 2pm (ET) on C-SPAN3
 

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What's intellectually lazy is waiting for some 'intellectual' to tell you what you could have seen with your own eyes. lol@ calling us intellectually lazy when you are finally coming to the same realizations that cats have been saying for YEARS but fail to believe until one of their favorite 'intellectual heads' brings the obvious to light.

What have I said that was easily refuted? Timmy Geitner admitting he's open to a universal currency? Dimitri Medevdev actualyl holding up a 'prototype universal currency'? Drones flying overhead in American cities that can be retrofitted with weapons, the proliferation of 'urban control weaponry'? Mass government spying? Mobile checkpoints? Barack Obama being a puppet and a snake? The move to put the masses on a 'smart grid'?

What do you not understand about the fact that people can make assertions and deductions based upon reason and facts without buying all the extra bullshyt from charlatans, snake oil salesmen, and paranoid carnival barkers you guys are naive enough to swallow hook, line, and sinker?

I've been saying the surveillance state is expanding, and privacy is almost a thing of the past, and the trend is toward economic global integration since before I posted on sohh. Anybody paying attention could see that. I read James Banford's The Puzzle Palace about 10 when I was in was college.

We already know the NSA and the national security/intelligence apparatus employs almost a million people, the NSA started warrantless wiretapping in the 2000's, and the common sense that in an age of smart eavesdropping technology and global terrorism, individual liberties will be eroded. I even hear average people I know who do NOT follow politics and world affairs much at all tell me they just assume every e-mail and phone call they send is monitored.

All that is true without buying all your bullshyt about the eye of Horus on the dollar, and Satan-worshipping Illuminati cults drinking the blood of babies or whatever.

If you're going to try and claim that you were scoffed at for specifically for suggesting that the NSA is gathering meta data, you're going to need links because I don't recall that. I recall you getting scoffed at for saying stuff like you think the rapture is coming soon.

You guys trying to tell yourselves that PRISM is some kind of validation for the NWO conspiracy crap you believe is laughable and reeks of a pathetic desire you feel like you matter in the world more than you do.
 

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Companies Complying with NSA’s PRISM May Face E.U. Lawsuits

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U.S. companies that pass data from European Union citizens to the NSA’s PRISM surveillance program could be breaching the E.U.’s data-protection laws.

By Tom Simonite on June 11, 2013

Internet companies that pass data to the National Security Agency under the PRISM program could face legal action in the European Union, say privacy regulators and experts there.

U.S. government activities and the activity of U.S. companies on home soil are not bound by E.U. law, but companies that operate in the E.U. and serve citizens of the bloc are subject to its relatively strict data-protection laws. These laws limit the actions of companies that collect data, and require them to be clear about how it will be used and to whom it could possibly be disclosed.

“U.S. companies that have gathered personal data from Europeans, such as Facebook, and then given access to U.S. government agencies are in something of a bind,” says Ian Brown, senior research fellow at Oxford University’s Internet Institute. “They had no choice but to obey U.S. surveillance law, but may well now face legal challenges in European courts.”

Since the existence of PRISM was disclosed last week, several E.U. politicians and regulators have signaled concerns over NSA access to their citizens’ data. One of the most specific complaints came from the U.K.’s Information Commissioner’s Office, which hinted at possible legal troubles for participating companies. A statement from the independent privacy regulator late last week said: “Aspects of U.S. law under which companies can be compelled to provide information to U.S. agencies potentially conflict with European data-protection law, including the U.K.’s own Data Protection Act.”

Douwe Korff, professor of international law at London Metropolitan University and a specialist in privacy, agrees. “In Europe, there are strict rules on when state bodies can demand personal data, including for national security purposes,” which require that surveillance has a “legitimate aim” and is used in a “proportionate” manner, says Korff.

In addition, unlike the laws that govern the NSA activities revealed in last week’s leaks, European laws on surveillance must be publicly available, says Korff. “FISAA 1881a [the regulation under which PRISM is legal in the U.S.] is a direct attack on fundamental European constitutional rights,” he says. “From the European perspective, this is the digital equivalent to rendition.”

Korff says the situation for Facebook and other companies is similar to that of airlines after U.S. authorities demanded they hand over data about passengers on flights originating in the European Union. After airlines and travel companies began passing along names, credit-card numbers, and other details, a retrospective treaty between the U.S. and E.U. was needed to shield the companies involved from legal action under data-protection laws.

Only last year did nine years of protracted negotiations over the terms of that agreement finally end, after several interim agreements. The U.S. now receives 19 pieces of information on each passenger, including name, contact information, payment details, travel agency, itinerary, and baggage information, and can retain them for up to 15 years.

Brown says any future negotiations between U.S. and E.U. authorities over data sharing will likely now be even more fraught. A review of E.U. data-protection laws that began in January 2012 will likely consider much more stringent measures. “I suspect this whole affair will lead to significantly stronger protections for Europeans,” says Brown.

However, not all legal scholars agree that companies complying with PRISM could be acting illegally under E.U. law. On Monday, three researchers at the University of Amsterdam published a draft legal paper saying that national security exemptions in existing E.U. law make PRISM legal. “We see a legal loophole for bulk access by U.S. authorities to cloud data of E.U. citizens,” says Axel Arnbak, an Internet law researcher and one of the paper’s authors. “PRISM seems to drive our point home.”

Arnbak suggests that E.U. national governments that have received data sourced from PRISM through their connections with the NSA could face legal trouble. “European intelligence agencies would have a very hard time to meet the fundamental rights safeguards while acquiring such wide and unrestricted access to cloud data from E.U. citizens,” he says. Unconfirmed reports this week have suggested that U.K. and Netherlands security agencies have received PRISM data.
 

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