NSA Wiretapping and Snowden on the run

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A cushy 6 figure job in Hawaii, and dude throws it away

He better hope he can make it to Cuba or something before he ends up in a secret cia jail

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A great article from Tom Ricks on Snowden

The Best Defense | FOREIGN POLICY

The case of Edward Snowden, who came out yesterday (Sunday) as the leaker supplying the info to the Washington Post and the Guardian about the NSA's data-harvesting program, on first impression reminds me more of Daniel Ellsberg than of Bradley Manning.

I opposed what Manning did. I thought his actions were reckless. He did a data dump, making secret information public without knowing what it was or what he was really doing. I remember mentioning, for example, an Ethiopian journalist who wound up in the hot seat because of the WikiLeaks release.

Manning's act was that of a goofball anarchist. Snowden's, by contrast, seems to have been one of civil disobedience. That is, he seems to have known exactly what he was doing. Snowden does seem to have some elements of Manning, a mixed-up kid, but on balance seems to me to be more of an Ellsberg -- that is, a disillusioned insider who was appalled by what he saw and made a choice to disclose the existence of certain government programs.

As for the assurances of intelligence officials that we should not worry because they will be careful: I don't buy them. The intelligence community has not come clean about the torture of captives, so why should it have credibility on this? At any rate, the health of our Bill of Rights should not be dependent upon the constitutional interpretations and tender mercies of secret policemen and their staff lawyers.

So, do I think Snowden should go to jail? Yes, I think he should expect to. Martin Luther King, Jr. did too, when he consciously broke the law in protest. Breaking the law to make a point and then doing some time in consequence fit well within the American tradition. That said, knowing what I know now, I would hope it would be just a few months on a prison farm.

I have several friends who have a very different view, and think this guy is more of a Philip Agee, someone who has changed sides, and should be considered at worst a traitor and at best a self-righteous little jerk. Listening to them, I have to admit to some qualms. Foremost is Snowden's flight to Hong Kong. I want to know more about that before concluding that this guy was right. Leaving the country is not what a pure act of civil disobedience would entail. In addition, I find his choice of refuge, Hong Kong, a bit odd. It looks more like a defection than civil disobedience. It is possible that this guy will turn out to be more Guy Burgess than Daniel Ellsberg.

Speaking of Burgess, I would like to know if Snowden is providing cover for other, still undisclosed leakers. If so, that might change the equation, too. Wouldn't real civil disobedience call for a clean slate? That is, "This is who we are, and this is what we did, and why we did it."
 

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Now who else wanna fukk with Hollywood Court?
Americans don't care... This whole thing is so blatantly partisan it's hilarious :pachaha:

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This country is just retarded.
 

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tired of hearin "he threw away a good job, he was making a lot money". ummm there are more important things that people value in life you know.
 

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1. This whole NSA fiasco is drawing partisan reactions.

2. You guys are kind of missing the point of the cartoon.

Not really. Those companies have policies and restrictions in place that prevent them from holding your data indefinitely or from selling your information to 3rd parties.

I'm sure most of their policies have evolved to allow the government access as required by law, but were these agreements in place at the time that their customers agreed to do business with them? Has the law been fully adjudicated if everything is confidential? If a company like Facebook is denying taking part in PRISM, while obviously doing so, are they in violation of their own user agreements?

Now that this is out in the open, it gives us the opportunity to discuss and bring suits against these companies and the government to address the issue. It also allows users to vote with their wallets and take their services to companies that are not participating in PRISM.
 
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1. This whole NSA fiasco is drawing partisan reactions.

2. You guys are kind of missing the point of the cartoon.


Uh... I can opt out of doing business with those companies. Nobody is forcing me to use the services of google or facebook. In fact, many people don't use those services because of privacy reasons.


I can't somehow opt-out of doing business with the United States Government. I can't say," Hey! you know what? I don't like your service, so I am not going to pay taxes to you anymore!". I guess I could immigrate to somewhere else, but the US could easily prevent that from happening.
 

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Greenwald da gawd. :wow: This is like watching an underground rapper you like blowing up and going platinum.

yall trolls are confusing me ............. :mindblown:

when HL is provided with alternative media links showing this information from years ago ....... we are greeted with :pacspit::childplease::angry:


Yall are fake/faux as mannequins...................................................... :dead: :deadmanny: :deadrose:

Doesn't matter though, the fact is the Twlight Zone Matrix is chilling in the cut.................................................its disgusting.....glad people are at least waking up a little bit.....
 

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yall trolls are confusing me ............. :mindblown:

when HL is provided with alternative media links showing this information from years ago ....... we are greeted with :pacspit::childplease::angry:


Yall are fake/faux as mannequins...................................................... :dead: :deadmanny: :deadrose:

Doesn't matter though, the fact is the Twlight Zone Matrix is chilling in the cut.................................................its disgusting.....glad people are at least waking up a little bit.....

What the fukk are you talking about? ya conspiracy fukkers deadass believe Alex Jones and Glenn Greenwald are on the same level? Like you deadass think this moment is ya moment in the sun?! Greenwald, Jeremy Scahill, Chris Hedges, Kade Ellis, the folks at AntiWar.com, Robert Higgs, Noam Chomsky, Jonathan Turley and others have been writing about this stuff for years and they don't need to lean on some illumanati NWO bullshyt conspiracy to present their views to the general public.

:childplease::childplease:
 

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What the fukk are you talking about? ya conspiracy fukkers deadass believe Alex Jones and Glenn Greenwald are on the same level? Like you deadass think this moment is ya moment in the sun?! Greenwald, Jeremy Scahill, Chris Hedges, Kade Ellis, the folks at AntiWar.com, Robert Higgs, Noam Chomsky, Jonathan Turley and others have been writing about this stuff for years and they don't need to lean on some illumanati NWO bullshyt conspiracy to present their views to the general public.

:childplease::childplease:

its the exact same information .....if you choose not to look at a larger paradigm thats fine ............sorta like the BillyDeeBergs getting international attention for the first time, when for years they said there was no such organization .... I'm just pointing out a regular thing that happens when the information comes from a non-MSM source ...

Don't act like its not true.... :rudy: ........

Mannequins......................... but again its not important..... just happy folks not sheepling as bad as they use too honestly .......
 
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