Notorious B.I.G.- Should he be in peoples top 5 lists?

[RajWatts]

how the fukk is this even a question

it doesnt matter how many albums he released. arguably the most influential rapper of all time. rapping about liquor, clothes, bytches, the player persona etc all came from biggie....rozays whole steez is a direct reflection of big..and yeah big got it from kane but he took it to that mainstream level and made everyone love it...big should always be in everybodys top 5

 

[BREAD N BUTTERZ]

It's my opinion . His death and beef with the GOAT made him seem bigger then he was imo.

according to your own words u were a 4yo in pampers when big and pac died so your opinion is

 

[Rapmastermind]

Answer: No

Why: Influence of marketing dollars

How: Would you consider Big L or Big Pun top 10 candidates off two albums?

Did he display any extraordinary depth in his subject matter? Just ill flows over some popular samples that were already major hits a decade earlier.

The reason Big L and Big Pun don't end up in the GOAT debates like Biggie is cause neither dropped a 2nd LP as revolutionary as "Life After Death". That is the Album that put Biggie over the top. "Ready To Die" couldn't do it alone. So even though "Capitol Punishment and Lifestyles" are both Classics, neither are ranked above "Ready To Die". Then "Yeahh Baby and The Big Picture" are nowhere near LAD. Also saying Big songs where hits a decade earlier, you can say that about a ton of rappers. A popular sample is a popular sample. That doesn't mean it's going to be a #1 hit. Big made those songs Hot. NaS sampled "Human Nature" on "It ain't hard to tell", that ish didn't go #1 on the charts. It takes more than a popular sample to make something a hit.

 

[phatphuck]

not in my top 5 mc lists of all time

maybe top 5 deliveries ever

 

[mr. smoke weed]

how the fukk is this even a question

it doesnt matter how many albums he released. arguably the most influential rapper of all time. rapping about liquor, clothes, bytches, the player persona etc all came from biggie....rozays whole steez is a direct reflection of big..and yeah big got it from kane but he took it to that mainstream level and made everyone love it...big should always be in everybodys top 5

i love me some biggie but have you ever heard of a MC named big daddy kane? or Kool G rap?

 

[BREAD N BUTTERZ]

i love me some biggie but have you ever heard of a MC named big daddy kane? or Kool G rap?

you forgot rakim n krs.......

damn its like 10 rappers that should be able to fit in the top 5

its not fair

 

[Mac Casper]

The reason Big L and Big Pun don't end up in the GOAT debates like Biggie is cause neither dropped a 2nd LP as revolutionary as "Life After Death". That is the Album that put Biggie over the top. "Ready To Die" couldn't do it alone. So even though "Capitol Punishment and Lifestyles" are both Classics, neither are ranked above "Ready To Die". Then "Yeahh Baby and The Big Picture" are nowhere near LAD. Also saying Big songs where hits a decade earlier, you can say that about a ton of rappers. A popular sample is a popular sample. That doesn't mean it's going to be a #1 hit. Big made those songs Hot. NaS sampled "Human Nature" on "It ain't hard to tell", that ish didn't go #1 on the charts. It takes more than a popular sample to make something a hit.

That's one way to look at it

 

[mr. smoke weed]

you forgot rakim n krs.......

damn its like 10 rappers that should be able to fit in the top 5

its not fair

I was referencing that stuff about BIG being the first to mc about clothes and 'that player shyt'

 

[Consigliere]

Top 5s are opinions not facts

Heres mine

Freaky Tah
Choclair
CL Smooth
Icarus
Defari








What fukking difference does it make?

 

[BREAD N BUTTERZ]

my bad......but u r right........

but i will say biggie revolutionized it in a way that every single rapper that has come out since him or in his era has stanned his style as far as money and material things in they content

 

[RajWatts]

i love me some biggie but have you ever heard of a MC named big daddy kane? or Kool G rap?

how the fukk is this even a question

it doesnt matter how many albums he released. arguably the most influential rapper of all time. rapping about liquor, clothes, bytches, the player persona etc all came from biggie....rozays whole steez is a direct reflection of big..and yeah big got it from kane but he took it to that mainstream level and made everyone love it...big should always be in everybodys top 5

 

[mr. smoke weed]

didn't read your whole post breh

 

[DANJ!]

I knew the Kane thing would come into play... but let's also consider this: the quality of BIG's music when he flipped the player shyt and had the R&B feel to it were MUCH better than Kane's. Kane's radio shyt (outside of one or two songs) ended up bodying his damn career, whereas Big's radio shyt MADE his career. And yeah, they were different eras and all that, but I can't even say that's an excuse because LL and Heavy D were able to do it without losing their appeal and neither of them were ever the MC Kane was. He just went so corny with it, it became hard to bounce back from after a while, and it wasn't really working for him like it did for others. BIG was the first to be able to make that type of shyt but still drop the hard street shyt at the same time. He succeeded at that balance where Kane failed, because Kane went ALL THE WAY when he did them R&B joints. It wasn't like "Smooth Operator" or "Get The Job Done" where he was still spittin', this nikka got to a point where he was in a robe makin' bedroom eyes and talkin' slow And Kane was incredible lyrically, he shoulda been able to pull that balance off, but it didn't happen. Those reaches weren't graspin'.

As far as the "ah, Biggie just rapped over songs that were hits already"... there'a a lot of singles that flopped by trying that same thing, so it ain't that simple. If it was, Big L woulda been the one who had a hit in '95 with Debarge's "Stay With Me"

 

[Rapmastermind]

Kane is a Legend no doubt about it. And Yes Big and Jay learned from him. But they both took it to the next Level. Big was just a unique amazing artist.

 

[TNC]

Objectively, it's hard to argue for him