Notice Of Separation: The 2023 NBA Free agency/Off-Season Thread
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It's very difficult to start guards in the NBA that can't shoot, I don't care how special athletically you are
Just makes sense for them to grab FVV, let Amen develop his shot and then FVV can play off-ball, which is better for him because he's not a good facilitator or passer
Voice of Reason
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Yeah especially since it sounds like Houston's owner doesn't want to lose another 60 games a year, they need to get some adults in the room and not run a glorified AAU squad out there
The low key comedy is contrary to popular belief Portland DOES have the assets to create a contender, they just don’t wanna do it bc they dont trust Dame.
Bc Scoot and Shaeden alone are trade cornerstones other teams would glady take. But they don’t want to give up both scoot and Shaeden
Like imagine this trade:
Portland gets: Siakim, OG
Raptors get: Scoot, Shaeden, Simons , Nurk
Dame-OG-Grant-Siakim- C
If Dame is Luka, or LeBron, or Kawhi, etc , that’s enough to win a chip. With Dame? Ehhhhh youre not convinced
That’s the same reason Toronto doesn’t make the inverse of that trade which is probably Dame for Scottie Barnes
They’d have Dame-OG-Trent-Siakim. That’s MORE than enough, but ehhhh they dont trust Dame can win with that.
Trades are hard to come up with bc Dame/Portland waited too long and is now old. His value is being exposed
Bc Scoot and Shaeden alone are trade cornerstones other teams would glady take. But they don’t want to give up both scoot and Shaeden
Like imagine this trade:
Portland gets: Siakim, OG
Raptors get: Scoot, Shaeden, Simons , Nurk
Dame-OG-Grant-Siakim- C
If Dame is Luka, or LeBron, or Kawhi, etc , that’s enough to win a chip. With Dame? Ehhhhh youre not convinced
That’s the same reason Toronto doesn’t make the inverse of that trade which is probably Dame for Scottie Barnes
They’d have Dame-OG-Trent-Siakim. That’s MORE than enough, but ehhhh they dont trust Dame can win with that.
Trades are hard to come up with bc Dame/Portland waited too long and is now old. His value is being exposed
I don’t know. They need a vet PG for sure, but FVV is 29. He’s going to be a plus starting PG for the next 2,3 years at least. That’s gonna cause a logjam when Amen is ready, which is gonanbe very soon. Like year 2. The days of keeping a guy on training wheels more than a a year are over
So while FVV is starting, it will trickle down to restrict Amen, KPJ, whitmore…(KMart, Ty Ty). They’re gonna need to make a trade asap.
It SOUNDS good to ask 20 year olds to sacrifice for the team but it isnt feasible and honestly it isn’t even advisable. You’re playing for a second contract you SHOULD be upset if you not getting a chance to showcase bc the team has 8 other nggas your age and position. You can’t ask young high lottery picks to be role players or be apprentices it’s not gonna work
Ime and the owner don't wanna keep losing. Their top 6 guys in minutes played last year none of them were over the age of 22. FVV ain't the best option but he's got the winning pedigree and will bring some accountability to them, plus he can move off the ball.
VegetasHairline
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Yeah and they owe a top 4 protected pick to OKC next year, top 10 protected in 2025 and top 4 in 2026. It's in their best interest to not lose, they can't be giving great picks away to OKC
Dr. Narcisse
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Good points. Plus we see a lot of guys, guards especially, get lost in the shuffle starting off as just role players.
Amen, warts and all, might need to play through mistakes and learn on the job to reach his full potential. If signing another guard to big $ was the plan thene maybe trade the pick.
As much as I'm a fan of Ime. Tatum was forced into action early by Stevens.
I just wanna post this again!
This dude Dame is the person we all work with who is always talking about getting another job. But never leaves.
threattonature
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They're in the second worst spot to be in. A super young team where no player has defined themselves as THE superstar to build around so they're stuck basically trying out everybody. It's like young OKC where the team knew Durant was the man so it's about finding pieces to put around him. With Houston none have stood out like that.
I think Green will be way better with an actual PG once they move KPJ off point. He never got any easy shots fed to him. Alternatively, they could try to run the offense through Sengun a bit.