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The amount of misinformation and underestimating of Iranian air power and defenses is crazy. We all know the monster US air power is, but it wouldn't be easy to just bomb Iran. Would definitely be a war of attrition.

Lol at air power they are flying a handful of f14s. Iraq had better air power under Saddam.
US could very very easily bomb Iran, Irans response would be assymetrical mainly thru Lebanese and Iraqi proxies.

Iranians are master strategist but they have very little hard power.

They have no money or industrial military capacity for attrition, while the US could destroy all their infrustructure in a couple weeks.
 

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Iran learned from the 1970s and from the Persian Gulf War. Iran knows they cannot win in a conventional war with the US. Saddam tried to fight a conventional war and got destroyed. Iran whole strategy is to exploit enemy weaknesses, using its geographical advantage to turn the Persian Gulf into a no mans land. As I said before in the Persian Gulf and Straight of Hormuz American ships will be vulnerable because of the narrowness of the channel. Iran will fire salvo of cruise,anti ship and ballistic missiles to overwhelm American defenses. They will then use swarm tactics to overwhelm the ships further. Add the S-300 missiles it will limit American low flying jets like the Warthog to destroy the speed boats. then they will mine the Straight and Persian Gulf to make it harder for American Ships to enter with risk they could get hit Also Iran would use its proxies to spread chaos in Bahrain, Saudi Arabia and Iraq. Ther eis a reason why Obama and Bush didnt go ahead with a war with Iran. It will be costly with no gain. There is a reason why every Iran war game scenario is bleak. Iran is not Iraq. They are not going to fight a conventional war against the US. the best example is the Israel and Hezbollah war. Israel was unable to defeat Hezbollah even though they had total air and naval supremacy. Yall are lokking at it through conventional warfare lenses when a war like this will be unconventional.

What the hell man... You're drifting away in what my reply to you was. I am NOT dismissing what you are saying besides THIS ..."The iraq war almost did but not enough." WHERE did the Iraq war "almost" come close to doing the things you say Iran is going to do to America. I'm not talking about Iran but Iraq.
 

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Lol at air power they are flying a handful of f14s. Iraq had better air power under Saddam.
US could very very easily bomb Iran, Irans response would be assymetrical mainly thru Lebanese and Iraqi proxies.

Iranians are master strategist but they have very little hard power.

They have no money or industrial military capacity for attrition, while the US could destroy all their infrustructure in a couple weeks.
Iran has more than F14s breh. Added to that, the F14 is still a very capable air superiority fighter. Either way it's not something America is looking to jump into because this isn't some backwards country with no defenses. Ya we could do it, but at great cost to both human life and finances. You're definitely underestimating Iran's ability to put up a fight within their own borders.
 

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Best believe we will go to war with Iran and it will be by accident. As I said before Trump's entire cabinet is full of anti-Iran Hawks. Trumps himself is anti Iran. So war will happen. The Persian Gulf is a place where mistakes can happen for example when those American sailors accidentally were in Iranian waters. Obama and the Iranian regime let cooler heads prevail. And negotiated their release. Imagine Trump a man who wants to show the world how tough he is to compensate for having a baby dikk dealing with a crisis like this? :francis: What this North Korea snafu told me that the real shyt will be with Iran. And that is when shyt gets real. Every Iran war scenario best case scenario is a bloody stalemate for both sides. Read up on an Iran war scenario back in 2002 called Millennium Challenge. Here where the results. red is iran and Blue is the USA.:



This was the most expensive War Scenario to date. And the US was so shocked to see how bad they would lose the war scenario they completely change the script to make it easier for Blue to win. In other words they were so arrogant that they couldnt comprehend losing a war game scenario like that. Now this wa sin 2002. Iran's asymmetrical warfare capabilities has long since been more advanced since then. They have more advanced cruise missiles they can put on speed boats which can't be detected. They have the Russian S-300 which will make a bomb campaign much more harder. They have developed more advanced ballistic missiles to hit American and Uk bases in Qatar,UAE and Bahrain. Their proxies are much more deeper and more trained since 2002. Iran has developed advanced anti ship missiles based on the Chinese silkworm missiles and Russian yakhont. The narrowness of the straits of the Persian gulf is already a major disadvantage for the US navy. Why? Because the anti ship missiles and ballistic missiles will hit their targets faster before these ships can detect them in time. Iran now has the S-300. They have put the missiles in three locations Tehran, nuclear sites and the coast line of iran. This will limit American use of airpower over the Gulf. This quote talks about Iran's naval strategy and it was written in 2010.



This is why Bush and Obama were hesitant to use force against Iran because the US can Yes lose in a war with Iran really badly. The only way the US could get a shot to win is a ground invasion with Iran. And even that will will bankrupt the country and force them reinstate the draft because Iran is much more bigger,urban and mountainous than Iraq. However trump and his cabinet are not hesitant to start a war with Iran. They want war and do not care about the consequences. History has shown that empires decline when there is a perceived though they are declining. They pull of one more stunt to show they are back but it turn it further leads to their decline. I am betting that war with Iran will happen either by accident or by Trumps doing. It will be America's Rocroi. American perceived invincibility would be shattered. The iraq war almost did but not enough. I cannot imagine how the American public could handle losing 20,000 men in a week fighting Iran. :wow:
God willing Iran would prevail.
 

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Iran has more than F14s breh. Added to that, the F14 is still a very capable air superiority fighter. Either way it's not something America is looking to jump into because this isn't some backwards country with no defenses. Ya we could do it, but at great cost to both human life and finances. You're definitely underestimating Iran's ability to put up a fight within their own borders.
Pretty much. I laid out facts and figures of what experts expect from Iran in the event of war. America is very powerful country however it doesnt mean it can't lose in a war. People here act like war with Iran will be like war with North Korea. The US can crush North Korea because they will fight war in a conventional sense. Iran is different. Their whole military doctrine is different from anything the US has faced. Look up "Mosaic Defense." They know they cannot defeat the US face to face in a conventional war. So they would use their geographical advantage to hit back hard. This quote explains it better:

Iran’s armed forces have tailored their war-fighting strategies to counter technologically superior adversaries, such as the United States. Tacitly acknowledging it has little chance of winning a conventional force-on-force conflict, Iran has opted for deterrence-based model of attrition warfare that raises an opponent's risks and costs, rather than reducing its own. The goal is to inflict a psychological defeat that inhibits an enemy’s willingness to fight.
Asymmetric warfare plays a central role in Iranian military theory. Iran’s armed forces appear to be focusing on the development of niche capabilities that play to Iranian strengths—manpower, strategic depth and a willingness to accept casualties—while exploiting the weaknesses of Iran’s adversaries, who are regarded as risk averse, casualty sensitive and heavily dependent on technology and regional basing facilities for access.

And to make things worse Sec Def Mattis underestimates Iran constantly. And again as I said before the US has not learned any lessons from Millennium Challenge 2002. The last 15 years they ignored it and didn't apply changes to counter Iran. @FAH1223 breh I know you watching the game but you know war with Iran would be a disaster for the US.
 

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Iran has more than F14s breh. Added to that, the F14 is still a very capable air superiority fighter. Either way it's not something America is looking to jump into because this isn't some backwards country with no defenses. Ya we could do it, but at great cost to both human life and finances. You're definitely underestimating Iran's ability to put up a fight within their own borders.
Iran would whoop SERIOUS ass. Easily the most competent "middle eastern" power after Israel.
 
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