North Korea Thread: DPRK Launching Missiles With New ICBM

[JahFocus CS]

I've had him on ignore for almost a year now. life is beautiful.

I neg him whenever I can because I find it offensive he is not firmly in the red. He negged me back today saying "it doesn't have to be like this" copping pleas cuz he's about to be in negative territory again

 

[Sensitive Blake Griffin]

He's been dropping good shyt in the impeach thread.

A broken clock is right twice a day

 

[DonKnock]

So far he just showed off new weapons. One they claim can reach the US and the other is some kind of submarine missile

What if they pulled a misdirection and the test was actually the submarine missile

 

[Arithmetic]

US Air Force sends message to North Korea with display of air power

 

[ZoeGod]

Ain't gonna hear no argument outta me about any of that.

But yeah... going into Iran would be a slaughter. I don't think the american psyche would be able to handle it..

Rocroi

you the same poster who posted that one Roman battle that signaled Rome's decline?

Best believe we will go to war with Iran and it will be by accident. As I said before Trump's entire cabinet is full of anti-Iran Hawks. Trumps himself is anti Iran. So war will happen. The Persian Gulf is a place where mistakes can happen for example when those American sailors accidentally were in Iranian waters. Obama and the Iranian regime let cooler heads prevail. And negotiated their release. Imagine Trump a man who wants to show the world how tough he is to compensate for having a baby dikk dealing with a crisis like this? What this North Korea snafu told me that the real shyt will be with Iran. And that is when shyt gets real. Every Iran war scenario best case scenario is a bloody stalemate for both sides. Read up on an Iran war scenario back in 2002 called Millennium Challenge. Here where the results. red is iran and Blue is the USA.:

Red received an ultimatum from Blue, essentially a surrender document, demanding a response within 24 hours. Thus warned of Blue's approach, Red used a fleet of small boats to determine the position of Blue's fleet by the second day of the exercise. In a preemptive strike, Red launched a massive salvo of cruise missiles that overwhelmed the Blue forces' electronic sensors and destroyed sixteen warships. This included one aircraft carrier, ten cruisers and five of six amphibious ships. An equivalent success in a real conflict would have resulted in the deaths of over 20,000 service personnel. Soon after the cruise missile offensive, another significant portion of Blue's navy was "sunk" by an armada of small Red boats, which carried out both conventional and suicide attacks that capitalized on Blue's inability to detect them as well as expected.[1]

At this point, the exercise was suspended, Blue's ships were "re-floated", and the rules of engagement were changed; this was later justified by General Peter Pace as follows: "You kill me in the first day and I sit there for the next 13 days doing nothing, or you put me back to life and you get 13 more days' worth of experiment out of me. Which is a better way to do it?"[2] After the reset, both sides were ordered to follow predetermined plans of action.

After the war game was restarted, its participants were forced to follow a script drafted to ensure a Blue Force victory. Among other rules imposed by this script, Red Force was ordered to turn on their anti-aircraft radar in order for them to be destroyed, and was not allowed to shoot down any of the aircraft bringing Blue Force troops ashore.[3] Van Riper also claimed that exercise officials denied him the opportunity to use his own tactics and ideas against Blue Force, and that they also ordered Red Force not to use certain weapons systems against Blue Force and even ordered the location of Red Force units to be revealed

This was the most expensive War Scenario to date. And the US was so shocked to see how bad they would lose the war scenario they completely change the script to make it easier for Blue to win. In other words they were so arrogant that they couldnt comprehend losing a war game scenario like that. Now this wa sin 2002. Iran's asymmetrical warfare capabilities has long since been more advanced since then. They have more advanced cruise missiles they can put on speed boats which can't be detected. They have the Russian S-300 which will make a bomb campaign much more harder. They have developed more advanced ballistic missiles to hit American and Uk bases in Qatar,UAE and Bahrain. Their proxies are much more deeper and more trained since 2002. Iran has developed advanced anti ship missiles based on the Chinese silkworm missiles and Russian yakhont. The narrowness of the straits of the Persian gulf is already a major disadvantage for the US navy. Why? Because the anti ship missiles and ballistic missiles will hit their targets faster before these ships can detect them in time. Iran now has the S-300. They have put the missiles in three locations Tehran, nuclear sites and the coast line of iran. This will limit American use of airpower over the Gulf. This quote talks about Iran's naval strategy and it was written in 2010.

Iran’s naval doctrine relies on a layered defense and massing of firepower, integrating multiple sea, land and air-based weapons simultaneously to overwhelm and confuse adversaries. As Iran’s naval doctrine has matured, the Iranians have acquired a large inventory of naval materiel suitable for asymmetric warfare. This includes naval mines, which can be covertly deployed using small boats or commercial vessels; land and sea-based anti-ship cruise missiles; small fast-attack craft, which can engage in swarming operations or suicide attacks; and submarines, including three Russian-supplied KILO-class diesel-electric submarines and numerous North Korean and domestically produced midget submarines, which can be used in the Gulf’s shallow areas.

Geography is a key element in Iranian naval planning. The Gulf’s confined space, which is less than 100 nautical miles wide in many places, limits the maneuverability of large surface assets, such as aircraft carriers. But it plays to the strengths of Iran’s naval forces, especially the IRGCN. The Gulf’s northern coast is dotted with rocky coves ideally suited for terrain masking and small boat operations. The Iranians have also fortified numerous islands in the Gulf that sit astride major shipping lanes.

This is why Bush and Obama were hesitant to use force against Iran because the US can Yes lose in a war with Iran really badly. The only way the US could get a shot to win is a ground invasion with Iran. And even that will will bankrupt the country and force them reinstate the draft because Iran is much more bigger,urban and mountainous than Iraq. However trump and his cabinet are not hesitant to start a war with Iran. They want war and do not care about the consequences. History has shown that empires decline when there is a perceived though they are declining. They pull of one more stunt to show they are back but it turn it further leads to their decline. I am betting that war with Iran will happen either by accident or by Trumps doing. It will be America's Rocroi. American perceived invincibility would be shattered. The iraq war almost did but not enough. I cannot imagine how the American public could handle losing 20,000 men in a week fighting Iran.

 

[Entropy Fan]

I neg him whenever I can because I find it offensive he is not firmly in the red. He negged me back today saying "it doesn't have to be like this" copping pleas cuz he's about to be in negative territory again

Over Dramatic fake ass superhero.
Enemy dangling off a cliff "Gimme your hand " ass nikka



Breh is mad entertaining u gotta admit

 

[Arithmetic]

Best believe we will go to war with Iran and it will be by accident. As I said before Trump's entire cabinet is full of anti-Iran Hawks. Trumps himself is anti Iran. So war will happen. The Persian Gulf is a place where mistakes can happen for example when those American sailors accidentally were in Iranian waters. Obama and the Iranian regime let cooler heads prevail. And negotiated their release. Imagine Trump a man who wants to show the world how tough he is to compensate for having a baby dikk dealing with a crisis like this? What this North Korea snafu told me that the real shyt will be with Iran. And that is when shyt gets real. Every Iran war scenario best case scenario is a bloody stalemate for both sides. Read up on an Iran war scenario back in 2002 called Millennium Challenge. Here where the results. red is iran and Blue is the USA.:



This was the most expensive War Scenario to date. And the US was so shocked to see how bad they would lose the war scenario they completely change the script to make it easier for Blue to win. In other words they were so arrogant that they couldnt comprehend losing a war game scenario like that. Now this wa sin 2002. Iran's asymmetrical warfare capabilities has long since been more advanced since then. They have more advanced cruise missiles they can put on speed boats which can't be detected. They have the Russian S-300 which will make a bomb campaign much more harder. They have developed more advanced ballistic missiles to hit American and Uk bases in Qatar,UAE and Bahrain. Their proxies are much more deeper and more trained since 2002. Iran has developed advanced anti ship missiles based on the Chinese silkworm missiles and Russian yakhont. The narrowness of the straits of the Persian gulf is already a major disadvantage for the US navy. Why? Because the anti ship missiles and ballistic missiles will hit their targets faster before these ships can detect them in time. Iran now has the S-300. They have put the missiles in three locations Tehran, nuclear sites and the coast line of iran. This will limit American use of airpower over the Gulf. This quote talks about Iran's naval strategy and it was written in 2010.



This is why Bush and Obama were hesitant to use force against Iran because the US can Yes lose in a war with Iran really badly. The only way the US could get a shot to win is a ground invasion with Iran. And even that will will bankrupt the country and force them reinstate the draft because Iran is much more bigger,urban and mountainous than Iraq. However trump and his cabinet are not hesitant to start a war with Iran. They want war and do not care about the consequences. History has shown that empires decline when there is a perceived though they are declining. They pull of one more stunt to show they are back but it turn it further leads to their decline. I am betting that war with Iran will happen either by accident or by Trumps doing. It will be America's Rocroi. American perceived invincibility would be shattered. The iraq war almost did but not enough. I cannot imagine how the American public could handle losing 20,000 men in a week fighting Iran.

Lol if you believe that scenario.

 

[JahFocus CS]

I cannot imagine how the American public could handle losing 20,000 men in a week fighting Iran.

 

[Bawon Samedi]

Best believe we will go to war with Iran and it will be by accident. As I said before Trump's entire cabinet is full of anti-Iran Hawks. Trumps himself is anti Iran. So war will happen. The Persian Gulf is a place where mistakes can happen for example when those American sailors accidentally were in Iranian waters. Obama and the Iranian regime let cooler heads prevail. And negotiated their release. Imagine Trump a man who wants to show the world how tough he is to compensate for having a baby dikk dealing with a crisis like this? What this North Korea snafu told me that the real shyt will be with Iran. And that is when shyt gets real. Every Iran war scenario best case scenario is a bloody stalemate for both sides. Read up on an Iran war scenario back in 2002 called Millennium Challenge. Here where the results. red is iran and Blue is the USA.:



This was the most expensive War Scenario to date. And the US was so shocked to see how bad they would lose the war scenario they completely change the script to make it easier for Blue to win. In other words they were so arrogant that they couldnt comprehend losing a war game scenario like that. Now this wa sin 2002. Iran's asymmetrical warfare capabilities has long since been more advanced since then. They have more advanced cruise missiles they can put on speed boats which can't be detected. They have the Russian S-300 which will make a bomb campaign much more harder. They have developed more advanced ballistic missiles to hit American and Uk bases in Qatar,UAE and Bahrain. Their proxies are much more deeper and more trained since 2002. Iran has developed advanced anti ship missiles based on the Chinese silkworm missiles and Russian yakhont. The narrowness of the straits of the Persian gulf is already a major disadvantage for the US navy. Why? Because the anti ship missiles and ballistic missiles will hit their targets faster before these ships can detect them in time. Iran now has the S-300. They have put the missiles in three locations Tehran, nuclear sites and the coast line of iran. This will limit American use of airpower over the Gulf. This quote talks about Iran's naval strategy and it was written in 2010.



This is why Bush and Obama were hesitant to use force against Iran because the US can Yes lose in a war with Iran really badly. The only way the US could get a shot to win is a ground invasion with Iran. And even that will will bankrupt the country and force them reinstate the draft because Iran is much more bigger,urban and mountainous than Iraq. However trump and his cabinet are not hesitant to start a war with Iran. They want war and do not care about the consequences. History has shown that empires decline when there is a perceived though they are declining. They pull of one more stunt to show they are back but it turn it further leads to their decline. I am betting that war with Iran will happen either by accident or by Trumps doing. It will be America's Rocroi. American perceived invincibility would be shattered. The iraq war almost did but not enough. I cannot imagine how the American public could handle losing 20,000 men in a week fighting Iran.

Trust me I am NOOOO Murica RAH RAH RAH fukk yeah like CERTAIN people. But we completely crushed Iraq. Bad example. I would say Vietnam.

 

[Entropy Fan]

Best believe we will go to war with Iran and it will be by accident. As I said before Trump's entire cabinet is full of anti-Iran Hawks. Trumps himself is anti Iran. So war will happen. The Persian Gulf is a place where mistakes can happen for example when those American sailors accidentally were in Iranian waters. Obama and the Iranian regime let cooler heads prevail. And negotiated their release. Imagine Trump a man who wants to show the world how tough he is to compensate for having a baby dikk dealing with a crisis like this? What this North Korea snafu told me that the real shyt will be with Iran. And that is when shyt gets real. Every Iran war scenario best case scenario is a bloody stalemate for both sides. Read up on an Iran war scenario back in 2002 called Millennium Challenge. Here where the results. red is iran and Blue is the USA.:



This was the most expensive War Scenario to date. And the US was so shocked to see how bad they would lose the war scenario they completely change the script to make it easier for Blue to win. In other words they were so arrogant that they couldnt comprehend losing a war game scenario like that. Now this wa sin 2002. Iran's asymmetrical warfare capabilities has long since been more advanced since then. They have more advanced cruise missiles they can put on speed boats which can't be detected. They have the Russian S-300 which will make a bomb campaign much more harder. They have developed more advanced ballistic missiles to hit American and Uk bases in Qatar,UAE and Bahrain. Their proxies are much more deeper and more trained since 2002. Iran has developed advanced anti ship missiles based on the Chinese silkworm missiles and Russian yakhont. The narrowness of the straits of the Persian gulf is already a major disadvantage for the US navy. Why? Because the anti ship missiles and ballistic missiles will hit their targets faster before these ships can detect them in time. Iran now has the S-300. They have put the missiles in three locations Tehran, nuclear sites and the coast line of iran. This will limit American use of airpower over the Gulf. This quote talks about Iran's naval strategy and it was written in 2010.



This is why Bush and Obama were hesitant to use force against Iran because the US can Yes lose in a war with Iran really badly. The only way the US could get a shot to win is a ground invasion with Iran. And even that will will bankrupt the country and force them reinstate the draft because Iran is much more bigger,urban and mountainous than Iraq. However trump and his cabinet are not hesitant to start a war with Iran. They want war and do not care about the consequences. History has shown that empires decline when there is a perceived though they are declining. They pull of one more stunt to show they are back but it turn it further leads to their decline. I am betting that war with Iran will happen either by accident or by Trumps doing. It will be America's Rocroi. American perceived invincibility would be shattered. The iraq war almost did but not enough. I cannot imagine how the American public could handle losing 20,000 men in a week fighting Iran.

Couldn't the US just use stealth jets to destroy air defense and stealthy heavy bombers to destroy command and control centers and critical infrastructure without using their navy? Heavy bombers can be launched from bases very far from Iran. Maybe special teams backed by heavy air support to penetrate and neutralize key underground nuke sites.

A massive air campaign would destroy Irans ability to launch missiles after a short period

 

[Entropy Fan]

Lol if you believe that scenario.

American military advantage is far too vast and overwhelming for it to be true. Hell Russia couldn't pull off a win of that caliber by conventional means. US could bomb Iran to dust in a few weeks. S300 is almost 40 year old tech and Iran only has a handful of them. They would need s400 and upgraded s300 and 20x more missile batteries to deny the US it's airspace the way China and Russia do.

Irans biggest response would be getting their proxies to attack isreal, and to launch their unguided missiles at gulf and pray they hit something

 

[Arithmetic]

American military advantage is far too vast and overwhelming for it to be true. Hell Russia couldn't pull off a win of that caliber by conventional means. US could bomb Iran to dust in a few weeks. S300 is almost 40 year old tech and Iran only has a handful of them. They would need s400 and upgraded s300 and 20x more missile batteries to deny the US it's airspace the way China and Russia do.

Irans biggest response would be getting their proxies to attack isreal, and to launch their unguided missiles at gulf and pray they hit something

Most people don't grasp the amount of destruction that a Navy and Air Force can cause before one boot is even put on the ground.

 

[OneManGang]

The amount of misinformation and underestimating of Iranian air power and defenses is crazy. We all know the monster US air power is, but it wouldn't be easy to just bomb Iran. Would definitely be a war of attrition.

 

[ZoeGod]

Lol if you believe that scenario.

This is not a scenario made up by some think tank amateurs breh .It was conducted by the Pentagon. this was the largest and most expensive war game in history. The fact they had to change the rules to make it easier for team Blue(USA) to win is alarming. The US military to this day have not been able to counter Iranian asymmetrical capabilities. Israel struggled with Hezbollah and Saudi Arabia is struggling with the Houthis. Both these groups have used IRGC textbook Iranian asymmetrical warfare. The Houthis fired a ballistic missiles two years ago against a UAE base and killed 64 UAE soldiers and wounding hundreds. Hezbollah was able to maintain cohesion, resist and counter Israeli ground offensives, and send missiles out continuously through the war. Now, Lebanon was a tiny country on Israel's doorstep. Iran is a huge country geographically, it's had a long time to study and incorporate the lessons of the war, and while America is much larger and wealthier than Israel by orders of magnitude, it's running a very long logistical tale.
The narrowness of the Persian Gulf makes it like a channel, at least in a strategic and military context. Aircraft carriers and warships of the U.S. are confined to narrow waters or are closed in within the coastal waters of the Persian Gulf.This is where the Iranian military’s advanced missile capabilities come into play. The Iranian missile and torpedo arsenal would make short work of U.S. naval assets in the waters of the Persian Gulf where U.S. vessels are constricted. Not only that they would mine the Straight of Hormuz to make life hell for the Fifth Fleet. The Washington Institute for Near East Policy acknowledged the threat from Iran’s mobile coastal missile batteries, anti-ship missiles, and missile-armed small ships.


In the event of war Iran has the geographical advantage. Big American ships will be at a disadvanatge when they face a salvo of ballistic,cruise and anti ship missiles. They would overwhelm American defense. Iranian suicide boats are now fitted with manpads and anti ship missiles. The Navy would have to operate from the Indian ocean. And there lies the problem. There are limitations to air power based in geography. Tehran for instance, is about 700 kilometers from the coast. That's a 1400 kilometer round trip. Imagine from the Indian Ocean. That's at the outer edges or beyond the limits of most American fighter aircraft. It's well within the horizons of long range bombers, but they'll likely have to be taking off from Diego Garcia. Lot of territory, lots and lots of targets to hit, and lots difficulty reaching it. Not to mention Iran air defense systems firing at jets low on fuel.

American naval power would be limited by geography coupled with Iranian military capabilities when it comes to fighting Tehran in the Persian Gulf or even in much of the Gulf of Oman. The U.S. will have to fight under significantly reduced response times and, more importantly, will not be able to fight from a stand-off (militarily safe) distance. U.S. naval defensive systems, which were designed for combat in open waters using stand-off ranges, are rendered useless in the Persian Gulf. There is a reason why we never wanted war with Iran because it would not end well. This is not me saying this. Plenty of think tanks and ex military folk have said we should not go to war with Iran. The US could lose in a war with Iran. America's military power is the best in the world and unmatched but primacy does not mean invincibility.

 

[ZoeGod]

Trust me I am NOOOO Murica RAH RAH RAH fukk yeah like CERTAIN people. But we completely crushed Iraq. Bad example. I would say Vietnam.

Iran learned from the 1970s and from the Persian Gulf War. Iran knows they cannot win in a conventional war with the US. Saddam tried to fight a conventional war and got destroyed. Iran whole strategy is to exploit enemy weaknesses, using its geographical advantage to turn the Persian Gulf into a no mans land. As I said before in the Persian Gulf and Straight of Hormuz American ships will be vulnerable because of the narrowness of the channel. Iran will fire salvo of cruise,anti ship and ballistic missiles to overwhelm American defenses. They will then use swarm tactics to overwhelm the ships further. Add the S-300 missiles it will limit American low flying jets like the Warthog to destroy the speed boats. then they will mine the Straight and Persian Gulf to make it harder for American Ships to enter with risk they could get hit Also Iran would use its proxies to spread chaos in Bahrain, Saudi Arabia and Iraq. Ther eis a reason why Obama and Bush didnt go ahead with a war with Iran. It will be costly with no gain. There is a reason why every Iran war game scenario is bleak. Iran is not Iraq. They are not going to fight a conventional war against the US. the best example is the Israel and Hezbollah war. Israel was unable to defeat Hezbollah even though they had total air and naval supremacy. Yall are lokking at it through conventional warfare lenses when a war like this will be unconventional.