Except that whether there was an aryan invasion or migration was never the subject of debate. The subject of debate is whether or not the varna system was based on skin color. You haven't provided any scholarly articles to support that view, only speculative assertions based on biased interpretations of religious texts. I have used the same religious texts here to show that many of Hinduisms most revered sages, gods, and heroes have been described as being unabashedly dark skinned, and you've chosen to hand wave them away and cling to your dogma. Well, that's not my problem.
Here is a second scholarly afticle this time from an Indian University...
The Varna system
Without the knowledge of
Varnashrama Dharma one may not be able to understand the nuances of Manusmriti. The
‘Varna'popularly known as the 'Caste system' is perhaps the most explosive topic in Hinduism. The word "Varna" is derived from the root 'VR' to screen, veil, covering,
external appearance' - Varna also means colour. Varna was used to denote groups having different skin coloration. The Aryans were fair skinned and the Dravidians black skinned. Thus, white or fair complexion was considered as belonging to Brahmins(priestly), red to Kshatriyas (princely), yellow to Vaisyas (commercial) and black to Sudras (serving). But colour is only one of the many aspects of the term. Varna also denotes species, kind, character and nature. Racial, tribal and familial solidarity had also a part to play in the origin of the 'Varna' system. The divisions may have been made based on religious beliefs, cult practices, and even eating habits. Above all, there is the theory that the
Varnas derived their basis from the
Purushasukta (Rig Veda 10.90) in dividing mankind into four socially separate interdependent categories and this was incorporated in the Manu Dharmasastra (Singh 1998; Bhatia 2001)
ERCES
You are free to continue denying the obvious truth...
"vedic scriptures," assuming you mean the vedas don't talk about Dravidians at all. The word dravid means south. In fact Brahmins in India are divided into two groups, pancha gouda, and pancha dravida. Pancha dravida Brahmins are those Brahmins who reside south of the vindhya mountains. They can be called Dravidian since they speak Dravidian languages. Again, skin color and race has no bearing on any of this at all.
Sure that's what I mean
Oh really...semantics again....check out verse* 44
4. Brahmana, the Kshatriya, and the Vaisya castes (varna) are the twice-born ones, but the fourth, the Sudra, has one birth only; there is no fifth (caste)
5. In all castes (varna) those (children) only which are begotten in the direct order on wedded wives, equal (in caste and married as) virgins, are to be considered as belonging to the same caste (as their fathers)
14. Those sons of the twice-born, begotten on wives of the next lower castes, who have been enumerated in due order, they call by the name Anantaras (belonging to the next lower caste), on account of the blemish (inherent) in their mothers.
16. From a Sudra spring in the inverse order (by females of the higher castes) three base-born (sons, apasada), an Ayogava, a Kshattri, and a Kandala, the lowest of men
29. Those (six mentioned above) also beget, the one on the females of the other, a great many (kinds of) despicable (sons), even more sinful than their (fathers), and excluded (from the Aryan community, vahya)
43. But in consequence of the omission of the sacred rites, and of their not consulting Brahmanas, the following tribes of Kshatriyas have gradually sunk in this world to the condition of Sudras;
44. (Viz.) the Paundrakas, the Kodas,
the Dravidas, the Kambogas, the Yavanas, the Sakas, the Paradas, the Pahlavas, the Kinas, the Kiratas, and the Daradas.
45. All those tribes in this world, which are excluded from (the community of) those born from the mouth, the arms, the thighs, and the feet (of Brahman), are called Dasyus, whether they speak the language of the Mlekkhas (barbarians) or that of the Aryans
56. By the king's order they shall always execute the criminals, in accordance with the law, and they shall take for themselves the clothes, the beds, and the ornaments of (such) criminals.
57. A man of impure origin, who belongs not to any caste, (varna, but whose character is) not known, who, (though) not an Aryan, has the appearance of an Aryan, one may discover by his acts.
58. Behaviour unworthy of an Aryan, harshness, cruelty, and habitual neglect of the prescribed duties betray in this world a man of impure origin.
59. A base-born man either resembles in character his father, or his mother, or both; he can never conceal his real nature.
64. If (a female of the caste), sprung from a Brahmana and a Sudra female, bear (children) to one of the highest caste, the inferior (tribe) attains the highest caste within the seventh generation.
65. (Thus) a Sudra attains the rank of a Brahmana, and (in a similar manner) a Brahmana sinks to the level of a Sudra; but know that it is the same with the offspring of a Kshatriya or of a Vaisya.
96. A man of low caste who through covetousness lives by the occupations of a higher one, the king shall deprive of his property and banish
126. A Sudra cannot commit an offence, causing loss of caste (pataka), and he is not worthy to receive the sacraments; he has no right to (fulfil) the sacred law (of the Aryans, yet) there is no prohibition against (his fulfilling certain portions of) the law.
The Laws of Manu: Full Text Translation by G. Buhler - Chapter 10
Again, none of this supports your point. If you want to discuss the aryan invasion theory, start another thread. There's no evidence for it, and the rig veda you are quoting mentions no land outside the subcontinent where these aryans supposedly arrived from. Also, the word dasyu was used to describe rebel aryan tribes...refer to the battle of ten kings.
In later literature the word mleccha which means barbarian was used to refer to lighter skinned Greeks, Iranians, Arabs, etc...this wouldn't be the case if it were all about skin color.
No scholarly articles to support your supposition have been provided, The one genetic link you presented ended up supporting my arguments....
Here is another......for your reading pleasure
Abstract
The origins and affinities of the approximately 1 billion people living on the subcontinent of India have long been contested. This is owing, in part, to the many different waves of immigrants that have influenced the genetic structure of India. In the most recent of these waves, Indo-European-speaking people from West Eurasia entered India from the Northwest and diffused throughout the subcontinent. They purportedly admixed with or displaced indigenous Dravidic-speaking populations. Subsequently they may have established the Hindu caste system and placed themselves primarily in castes of higher rank. To explore the impact of West Eurasians on contemporary Indian caste populations, we compared mtDNA (400 bp of hypervariable region 1 and 14 restriction site polymorphisms) and Y-chromosome (20 biallelic polymorphisms and 5 short tandem repeats) variation in approximately 265 males from eight castes of different rank to approximately 750 Africans, Asians, Europeans, and other Indians. For maternally inherited mtDNA, each caste is most similar to Asians. However, 20%-30% of Indian mtDNA haplotypes belong to West Eurasian haplogroups, and the frequency of these haplotypes is proportional to caste rank, the highest frequency of West Eurasian haplotypes being found in the upper castes. In contrast, for paternally inherited Y-chromosome variation each caste is more similar to Europeans than to Asians.
Moreover, the affinity to Europeans is proportionate to caste rank, the upper castes being most similar to Europeans, particularly East Europeans. These findings are consistent with greater West Eurasian male admixture with castes of higher rank. Nevertheless, the mitochondrial genome and the Y chromosome each represents only a single haploid locus and is more susceptible to large stochastic variation, bottlenecks, and selective sweeps. Thus, to increase the power of our analysis, we assayed 40 independent, biparentally inherited autosomal loci (1 LINE-1 and 39 Alu elements) in all of the caste and continental populations (approximately 600 individuals).
Analysis of these data demonstrated that the upper castes have a higher affinity to Europeans than to Asians, and the upper castes are significantly more similar to Europeans than are the lower castes. Collectively, all five datasets show a trend toward upper castes being more similar to Europeans, whereas lower castes are more similar to Asians. We conclude that Indian castes are most likely to be of proto-Asian origin with West Eurasian admixture resulting in rank-related and sex-specific differences in the genetic affinities of castes to Asians and Europeans.
Genetic evidence on the origins of Indian caste populations. - PubMed - NCBI
Uh, I've provided multiple examples of dark skinned gods and heroes in Hinduism to counter your claims, you've made it clear that you are choosing to ignore them. Like I said, that's your problem, not mine.
I have not ignore them
I have shown where even in Europe the pope worships a Black Madonna and child in private, whilst in public he worship a white one....Krishna is often portrayed as blue in Public.
All Christians Know that Jesus Christ was a Semite or Middle eastern man - which means they are worshiping a non white GOD.......This does not stop Christian from oppressing non white peoples.Kr
Hence a Black God in Indian does not mean that Light Brown and black Indians will not oppress people who they construe as blacks Indians.....Cognitive Dissonance.
During the American Civil War black Africans fought on both sides....That does not mean that blacks were not being oppressed
Yes Iranians are lighter than Dravidians in general. South India aligns with ethiopia below the tropic of cancer, it's not a mystery as to why they would be darker skinned.
That is the basis, that was used to create the varna system
No Dravidians have never went to war with Iranians.
Maybe tomorrow I will look into the Indus Valley Civilization destruction and the Indu-Kush regions...
Dasyu, Sanskrit dāsa (“servant”), an aboriginal people in India who were encountered by the Indo-European-speaking peoples who entered northern India about 1500 bce.
They were described by the Indo-Europeans as a dark-skinned, harsh-spoken people who worshipped the phallus. Some Western scholars who view the
lingam (a Hindu votary object) as a phallic symbol have conjectured that it originated with the
dasyu; others hold that this description of the
dasyu may have referred to their sexual practices. The
dasyu lived in fortified places from which they sent out armies. They may have been among the
Shudras, or labourers, who served the three higher classes—
Brahman (priests),
Kshatriya (warriors), and
Vaishya (merchants)—from whose ritual communion they were excluded
dasyu | people
Yes there are connections between the vedic religion and Zoroastrianism. Theres evidence to suggest that a group of aryans split and went west and settled Iran and eventually became the Iranians. They still called themselves aryans but they weren't considered to be so anymore by vedic Brahmins.
Could you provide the link.....I believe this connect has more to yield.
man STFU you sound like a bytch. This is an isolated incident and 2 years old to boot. India as a country does nothing but help Africans, so many Africans are in India because of agreements with African countries, in other words they want to be there and their countries want them there. Indians never enslaved no African. I posted an article earlier talking about how Indian professors are teaching Ethiopian students at Addis Ababa university engineering skills via the internet so that country can improve it's infrastructure....tell me what India gets from this? India can easily say look we'd love to help but we're poor too and trying to come up ourselves so tough luck...but that's not the case. This India vs Africa shyt is all in your head and exists only via the internet through the inferiority complex of weirdos like you..jpg)