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All these spies, all this tech, all the clout-chasing, backstabbing, selling out, high-stakes espionage, etc.

If we were hiding alien tech best believe other countries would have found out and pushed that info by now.

It's highly unlikely that in a universe the size of trillion of lightyears (or however) that alien tech has landed specifically for the United States of America.


At this point, I'm willing to bet that this craft recovery started at the exact same time that humans started flying craft internationally. For hundreds of years we weren't recovering alien craft, and then when the USSR and USA started doing flights over each other's territory, that's when craft suddenly started crashing.

I'm also willing to bet that the frequency of craft retrieval accelerated tremendously at the exact same time that humans started making and using drones.

And it may just be a giant coincidence, but I'll bet that the transition from "alien craft have bodies/pilots" to "alien craft are autonomous drones" aligns rather nicely to when we started using drones. I mean, were we really hearing all this shyt about tiny autonomous craft flying around in the previous century? It doesn't seem the least bit coincidental that aliens were barely using these drones before, then suddenly started building drones the same time we did?
 

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At this point, I'm willing to bet that this craft recovery started at the exact same time that humans started flying craft internationally. For hundreds of years we weren't recovering alien craft, and then when the USSR and USA started doing flights over each other's territory, that's when craft suddenly started crashing.

I'm also willing to bet that the frequency of craft retrieval accelerated tremendously at the exact same time that humans started making and using drones.

And it may just be a giant coincidence, but I'll bet that the transition from "alien craft have bodies/pilots" to "alien craft are autonomous drones" aligns rather nicely to when we started using drones. I mean, were we really hearing all this shyt about tiny autonomous craft flying around in the previous century? It doesn't seem the least bit coincidental that aliens were barely using these drones before, then suddenly started building drones the same time we did?
Yup.



The way she talks about the GPS systems on F-15s being basically what we have in our current cars, on a jet that was released in the 70's shows you how the tech advancements we see now were actually in use for a long time before we see them.

Now that we see drones, you best believe they've been working on those for decades. A lot of those crashes were tests.
 
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His complaint is about a secret recovery program and documents pertaining to actual craft that he stated he has seen (the documents) and has access to them and gave that information to the IC IG who then apparently was able to have his testimony corroborated. I get it... it's good to be skeptical, but you haven't seen the complaint or even his information that he gave to the IC IG who then said his findings were "CREDIBLE AND URGENT" and then that summary sent to various places like the Director of National Intelligence, the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, and House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence...... obviously whatever they found they decided it was credible enough to put their names on it within the community.

AND THEN the people from the article go to various others within the community and say "Can you put your name on this article about this guy being trustworthy?" and they do.. Multiple people in the article and online have vouched for his credibility.




Again I think it's weird that you're going off a snippet or highlight of a interview THAT HASN'T BEEN FULLY RELEASED YET. They've literally released what like 3-4 minutes so far? I'll hear this guy out, because #1 his credentials obviously scream that we should and those in the know on this subject say he's legit... and also because he has gone through the right channels so far


Obviously there are some red flags that make me roll my eyes and think "Idk this is too much" (which for me is the dead alien bodies).. but I'm willing to hear more of the evidence provided.


From what I've seen online the New York Times is releasing a story on this Sunday. Not sure which direction they intend to go.. Maybe they have information that corroborates this guy, or maybe they will go the other way and show he just flat out got played

Great synopsis.
 

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Your buddy Mick West on his A-game.

He's always invested in debunking.

Makes me wonder if he's on somebody's payroll...or just a wet blanket/a$$hole.


Some people are just a lot more interested in the truth than a bunch of bullshyt. :heh:


There's a ton of people in the UFO community, even non-skeptics, that appreciate Mick West because he helps clear out the junk so those who give a shyt about what's real / not real can actually focus on the interesting stuff.

Do you honestly believe that he hasn't helped expose the answers behind a LOT of shyt? That he hasn't taken plenty of videos/pictures/events and been able to say, "Look, this is probably what it is and it's not UFOs" and been right at least some of the time?
 
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Your buddy Mick West on his A-game.

He's always invested in debunking.

Makes me wonder if he's on somebody's payroll...or just a wet blanket/a$$hole.
I think Mick West is good for things like this sometimes. He's able to debunk things or at least cast doubt on stupid chit that shouldn't get the attention that it does.

I will say for as much good he does, he can be over the top on his position. He will bend over backwards just as much as the opposing side in order to support his position which is as "THE UFO skeptic".
 
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Some people are just a lot more interested in the truth than a bunch of bullshyt. :heh:


There's a ton of people in the UFO community, even non-skeptics, that appreciate Mick West because he helps clear out the junk so those who give a shyt about what's real / not real can actually focus on the interesting stuff.

Do you honestly believe that he hasn't helped expose the answers behind a LOT of shyt? That he hasn't taken plenty of videos/pictures/events and been able to say, "Look, this is probably what it is and it's not UFOs" and been right at least some of the time?

I want to believe

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All jokes aside. He does bring a balance. But it's almost like he's pressed on some World vs. Mick West tip.
 

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Well, the guy apparently did an interview with once of France's biggest news organizations and................ I really am feeling more and more :comeon: reading it lol

By Gaël Lombart, 7th of june 2023

We may already know what he's going to tell us, but we're no less fascinated when David Charles Grusch, 36, details the secrets he claims to have uncovered: for decades he claims, the United States has been in possession of UFOs of "non-human" origin, whose technology they are attempting to exploit. These words, more likely to be heard from a conspiracy theorist, come from a fourteen-year veteran of the US Air Force intelligence service who initiated a whistle-blowing procedure after passing on information to his superiors. A few hours after going public on Monday, David Grusch gave us an interview via videoconference. Speaking slowly but assuredly, he seems to want to say more than he's able to. In America, the ufo subject which has become highly political, is no longer regarded with contempt and requires careful listening more than ever.

Interviewer : Did you hesitate to speak out, and why ?

DAVID GRUSCH: Of course I hesitated, because I spent fourteen years in the American intelligence community. I've always worked in the shadows, sometimes even undercover. It's a nightmare to be a public figure, and have my name out there. But I thought the public deserved to know certain facts. There are questions that humans have been asking themselves for generations. If the U.S. and its allies have part of the answers, it seems ethically wrong to keep it a secret.

Int.: Can you tell us more about these programs, which you claim have remained secret for decades?
D.G.: For almost ninety years, the United States and its allies have been recovering fragments of objects and exotic objects, damaged or intact vehicles... The analyses carried out have provided proof that these were non-human objects, particularly those discovered ninety years ago. The programs I'm talking about were dedicated to reverse engineering (studying the properties of an object to determine its inner workings) for military purposes. And that is unfortunately the main use...

Int.: Non-human objects?

D.G.: I wasn't certain of their non-human origin, until I was briefed on the analysis carried out by members of these programs on these recovered vehicles.

Int.: What could be the origin of these objects, if they weren't human?

D.G.: My degree is in physics. The mechanical and experimental data shows that it's not human. It could be extraterrestrial, or it could be something else, coming from other dimensions as described by quantum mechanics. I haven't seen enough data to say it's one thing instead of another. The U.S. government must have more information.

Int.: Can we know more about where these "ships" were recovered?

D.G.: One was recovered in Italy in 1933, which is the earliest case I've been briefed on. I can't talk about the others.

Int.: What allegedly happened there?

D.G.: In 1933, a bell-like craft, around ten meters in size was recovered in Magenta, northern Italy. It was kept by Mussolini's government until 1944 when it was recovered by agents of the Office of Strategic Services (OSS, a former US intelligence agency). Ironically, it predates anything the public has heard about for decades, such as Roswell, etc. I was authorized to talk about it by the Department of Defense's Office of Prepublication and Security Review.

Int.: You're talking about information concealed for decades, aren't you afraid of playing into the hands of conspiracy theorists?

D.G.: Yes, there's always a likelihood that this will encourage more unfounded conspiracy theories. The irony is that this was once a conspiracy theory that turns out to be true.

Int.: Did you see any exotic material with your own eyes?

D.G.: I've seen some very interesting things that I'm not authorized to talk about publicly at the moment. I don't have the approval.

Int: You mention defense contractors involved in reverse engineering. Are there many of them?

D.G.: A handful of U.S. subcontractors are involved, some of them from the beginning, and they have kept the matter secret. There was no competition.

Int.: You mention reverse engineering for military purposes, but what other potential uses could there be?
D.G.: It could lead to progress in advanced space programs, help furthering materials science, that sort of thing ! The materials studied could have new conductivity properties, strength and so on. This could translate into applications for climate or health.

Int.: Which of the USA's allies have been involved in these programs?

D.G.: Mainly the members of the Five Eyes alliance, i.e. Canada, the UK, Australia and New Zealand.

Int.: How far does your freedom of speech go?

D.G.: I'm still bound by my confidentiality agreement with the US government, and I can't discuss information that is still classified. So I can speak publicly in general terms, but details of material recoveries are very limited until they are declassified.

Int.: You state in your complaint that you suffered reprisals after alerting the Department of Defense Inspector General in 2021. What is this about?

D.G.: They tried to attack my security clearance, they made allegations of misconduct against me, things of that nature. To protect the ongoing investigation on my behalf, I can't give too many details. I think in a few months I'll be able to.

Int.: Do you fear for your life?

D.G: At one time, there were threats of this nature.

Int.: Do you fear for yourself or your loved ones?
D.G.: In a situation like this, there is first of all a real risk in remaining anonymous, because it's easy to discreetly attack someone who has no public support. Of course, there's a risk in becoming a public figure, but it's worth it: the American people can push their elected representatives and the president to get answers. So yes, I'm concerned about the paparazzi and some people may want to stop me from expressing myself, but I'm willing to take that risk.

Int.: What are you going to do now?

D.G.: I have more information that I'll publish later. I want to be an opinion leader on this subject. This year, I'll be launching a non-profit foundation to help the scientific community start protocols on this subject, from undergraduates to graduates. That would be useful, because there's no secrecy in the university system. It would finally make it possible to look at these things from a scientific standpoint.

I mean lmao.. Feel like I'm reading some sort of Indiana Jones story on some "WWII and Nazi's/Italy found it!!". I will say that this was talked about a couple days ago on Reddit

 

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Brehs pay attention to the posts above. These are the people who would sell you and your family for the aliens to eat. Take NOTE











yeah the fallen angels have been plotting since their fall




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Yall jesus freaks make me sick....believe in African God's atleast..no...you wanna believe in Jesus the same one that was beat into your ancestors..YOU ALREADY SOLD OUT AND DONT EVEN KNOW IT
 

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So if I work for a program, which is what the article states, that is involved in Recovery Efforts of these crafts I would think they would have access to ACTUAL RECOVERY OF CRAFTS. Now that is what is pointed out in some of the quotes and idk why you just decided to dismiss it.. come on man you're a good poster


What does this statement tell you? It literally says CURRENT MEMBERS OF THE RECOVERY PROGRAM... I repeat CURRENT MEMBERS OF THE RECOVERY PROGRAM spoke to the IC IG's office to backup his claims in the complaint they issues.

You're asking questions, which we as the American public would just never have access to at this moment.. Now Congress can get involved, which is why this guy went the WhistleBlower Protection Act, to out these issues that he was hearing and getting information on from people who were directly involved with the program (at least according to him and the IC Inspector General)

You're arguing with yourself at this point.. Because I clearly have stated that I'm skeptical but also open to this being more fleshed out. This story is more than a "Aliens are real" story. This is mostly a story about a coverup for a program that certain people say exists, that others aren't aware of who should be (Congress and the public). THAT'S THE STORY IN THE ARTICLE. The 2017 expose was about how the Pentagon was lying about a program involved with UFO's/UAP's.... that's what these authors do

Now this other stuff... I have no idea, and am willing to hear more. We don't even have the full on camera interview. That "Special" is being released on Sunday, and even then the 7 hour interview won't be released until a future date also
He also said in the video interview that some of the craft’s recovered had pilots, but not all. Which kinda lined up with the reddit guy saying that previously there were a few pilots but eventually they were unmanned.
 

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Well, the guy apparently did an interview with once of France's biggest news organizations and................ I really am feeling more and more :comeon: reading it lol



I mean lmao.. Feel like I'm reading some sort of Indiana Jones story on some "WWII and Nazi's/Italy found it!!". I will say that this was talked about a couple days ago on Reddit


Certain things make sense. Like the timing of certain things that he can talk about. It kinda seems like he’s been right on time.
 
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