No thread on the outing of our alien brehs?

[AngryBaby]

I never asserted it was U.S. tech........or ANY tech at all. I asserted that 'aliens' isn't the answer.​

Do you assume the air force, navy, military as a whole, havent the understanding to recognize the difference?

And so you are claiming that what was found on radar, and studied, and tracked, must be man made tech? Im not saying its not, im just trying to understand your position.

Because when it comes to UAP. They arent claiming its aliens either...they just are telling you, thats their behavior is beyond that of our technological grasp. This is declassified information by the way. Not heresay.

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

Do you assume the air force, navy, military as a whole, havent the understanding to recognize the difference?

No. I'm saying 'aliens' isn't the answer.

That's all.​

 

[AngryBaby]

No. I'm saying 'aliens' isn't the answer.

That's all.​

So you are saying its man made? And do you feel it's statistically likely that the described behavioral characteristics in the court briefings are man made tech?

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

So you are saying its man made?

I'm saying 'aliens' isn't the answer.​

 

[Professor Emeritus]

There are 2 dozen other whistleblowers coming forward apparently...

And also, you are aware that grusch also swore under oath aswell correct? My only issue with your approach is that you seem so dismissive of this as if it doesnt at least need to be investigated. The stakes of this is that AARO amd Grusch both swore under oath and one party would be subject to Jail time.

The implications of what this means from a judicial standpoint is already the most credible situation we've had in this circumstance, not only that, potentially the most important story in recent history.

So I have no issue with skepticism, but you are dismissing the gravity of the situation entirely. And insinuating that these whistleblowers, ryan graves, grusch ferver, etc are simply in some sort of delusional histerics seems too dismissive considering whats actually going on legally here.

Grusch swore under oath that other people told him things. That doesn't make those things true. He admitted he hasn't seen anything alien himself, and we haven't heard of a single actual "document" that somehow proves aliens either.

I've yet to hear of any evidence which disproves the most sensible theory. "The USA has a top-secret program to recover enemy and unidentified craft, and a tiny minority of people in the program with only partial knowledge of what others were doing started believing that they were working on alien craft, based on only the flimsiest direct evidence."

 

[Professor Emeritus]

So you are saying its man made? And do you feel it's statistically likely that the described behavioral characteristics in the court briefings are man made tech?

There is literally zero evidence of anything that couldn't be man made. Witnesses are wrong all the time, and electronic warfare screws with radar signals in just these ways. There is zero video showing anything impossible.

Can this Navy patent explain away many UAP sightings? - Sandboxx

This new Navy tech aims to use lasers to fool air defense systems and missiles into thinking they see multiple aircraft or even a UAP for that matter--but the plan wasn't to trick the world into thinking they were being visited by aliens. America uses stealth technology not just to avoid...

www.sandboxx.us

Area 51 Veteran And CIA Electronic Warfare Pioneer Weigh In On Navy UFO Encounters

Having worked on some of the most highly-classified aerospace programs in the world, all this new UFO talk sounds very familiar to these two men.

www.thedrive.com

There's another really good article on this that i can't find for now

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Religious dudes in here terrified.

Who?


It's like you exist in some alternate reality where where there aren't already a ton of religious people who believe in UFOs.

I personally think there's a good chance of alien life existing outside our solar system. Why is this supposed to terrify me?

 

[Professor Emeritus]

So this is another reporter with another story, backing up the claims made in the Debrief article based on his sources.

I've already pointed out that Shellenberger is a hack and right-wing darling cause he always runs with narratives and agendas for clout even when they go against the evidence.

He has no actual scientific training, no classified access, had never worked for anyone relevant to this discussion, and repeatedly pushes counterfactual narratives. Plus he's anti-black low key. Not the guy to be riding with here.

 

[klutch2381]

Who?


It's like you exist in some alternate reality where where there aren't already a ton of religious people who believe in UFOs.

I personally think there's a good chance of alien life existing outside our solar system. Why is this supposed to terrify me?

I actually like you as a poster. However, I’ve noticed you and a few other religious dudes going absolutely ham in these threads the last few days. My instinct is that it’s tied your religious beliefs (implicit or otherwise) and it’s potentially a bias you possess. You might not even legitimately be aware of it. Admittedly, my perception of you could also be wrong. Regardless, once there’s undeniable proof of aliens, which seems like it will happen in our lifetime—you can still believe in whatever deity you like .

Take this response for what it is. I’m about to watch Taylor and Lopez, so I’ll catch you later.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

I actually like you as a poster. However, I’ve noticed you and a few other religious dudes going absolutely ham in these threads the last few days. My instinct is that it’s tied your religious beliefs (implicit or otherwise) and it’s potentially a bias you possess.

You jumped to conclusions too quick. My skepticism on alien visitations has far more to do with my across background and how i evaluate evidence than my religious beliefs.

 

[jaydawg08]

I've already pointed out that Shellenberger is a hack and right-wing darling cause he always runs with narratives and agendas for clout even when they go against the evidence.

He has no actual scientific training, no classified access, had never worked for anyone relevant to this discussion, and repeatedly pushes counterfactual narratives. Plus he's anti-black low key. Not the guy to be riding with here.

It was the interview on the Hill where he stated he heard about this information and got in contact with contractors during his research regarding Nuclear energy.. Said he kept finding tangents in the UFO/UAP direction, sat on the story for years and decided to report it and verify the claims after all the Whistleblower rumblings

You don't need scientific training to report on what sources tell you, you don't need classified access to report on what sources tell you, and he's not pointing out some counterfactual narrative (I suppose to you he is, since he continues to point out that AARO doesn't have full access that they need to overview all information)

He can be anti-black, while also sharing information that he heard which is relevant to the discussion since he is reporting on sources BACKING UP THE DEBRIEFS CLAIMS

Now if you wanna dismiss the story, then sure. But it's relevant, and highlights that there isn't just a single guy out there making claims.. which I continue to see being reported on this story.

I really like you as a poster, think you're really knowledgeable... but you really aren't showing it during this thread.

 

[Payday23]

4cac post says that they're in the ocean (Atlantic), there's a mobile build shop that deploys the drones and they return back to the ocean garage when done :



Edit: link:

This is the dumbest thing I've heard all day

 

[AngryBaby]

Who?


It's like you exist in some alternate reality where where there aren't already a ton of religious people who believe in UFOs.

I personally think there's a good chance of alien life existing outside our solar system. Why is this supposed to terrify me?

Wait...are you religious? I'll get to the other stuff later. But if you are religious then that explains your...ultamist stance on this. Religious folk arent comfortable with "Grey area" or no answer lol

 

[Professor Emeritus]

It was the interview on the Hill where he stated he heard about this information and got in contact with contractors during his research regarding Nuclear energy.. Said he kept finding tangents in the UFO/UAP direction, sat on the story for years and decided to report it and verify the claims after all the Whistleblower rumblings

You don't need scientific training to report on what sources tell you, you don't need classified access to report on what sources tell you, and he's not pointing out some counterfactual narrative (I suppose to you he is, since he continues to point out that AARO doesn't have full access that they need to overview all information)

He can be anti-black, while also sharing information that he heard which is relevant to the discussion since he is reporting on sources BACKING UP THE DEBRIEFS CLAIMS

Now if you wanna dismiss the story, then sure. But it's relevant, and highlights that there isn't just a single guy out there making claims.. which I continue to see being reported on this story.

I really like you as a poster, think you're really knowledgeable... but you really aren't showing it during this thread.

Shellenberger saying "I've heard these rumours too" tells us absolutely nothing other than that Grusch's sources aren't imaginary friends. And no one was running with that claim. So yeah, it adds nothing.

He's a clout chaser who runs up every trend. He didn't push this one until it became the popular thing to do.

Do you think anyone is breaking the law and disclosing classified info to fukking Michael Shellenberger, or that we should trust anyone who would do that? And if he doesn't have classified info, then he doesn't have anything, right?

 

[AngryBaby]

It was the interview on the Hill where he stated he heard about this information and got in contact with contractors during his research regarding Nuclear energy.. Said he kept finding tangents in the UFO/UAP direction, sat on the story for years and decided to report it and verify the claims after all the Whistleblower rumblings

You don't need scientific training to report on what sources tell you, you don't need classified access to report on what sources tell you, and he's not pointing out some counterfactual narrative (I suppose to you he is, since he continues to point out that AARO doesn't have full access that they need to overview all information)

He can be anti-black, while also sharing information that he heard which is relevant to the discussion since he is reporting on sources BACKING UP THE DEBRIEFS CLAIMS

Now if you wanna dismiss the story, then sure. But it's relevant, and highlights that there isn't just a single guy out there making claims.. which I continue to see being reported on this story.

I really like you as a poster, think you're really knowledgeable... but you really aren't showing it during this thread.

I think the issue is that...these arguments assume everyone is a silly person for even acknowledging the possibility based upon the context of the situation and the claims by the sources.

These premises literally rely on everyone involved being dumber than the skeptic. Everytime. Everyone is a liar , everyone is too dense to notice things that apparently the skeptic can. Everyone is assumed to be an alien freak believer if we acknowledge the possibility of every person not being insane or a liar. And finally all of this is predicated on the concept that the idea of such a thing occuring ('alien' activity) is way too far fetched for them. But statistically...is it though?

Thats the core of all this I think, how far fetched is this really?

Just a fun brain excercise, over 400 billion solar systems in our galaxy alone. And lets say each solar system has 9 planets each like ours...how many planets is that in our galaxy alone?

Now factor in that there are trillions of galaxies in the observeable universe that pre-dates ours by thousands or billions of years...

To me, its not that far fetched that a couple civilizations out there perhaps figured some things out.