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i coulda swore i heard a clip of Cornette actually saying he liked the match
No Surprise Here: Jim Cornette Is "Ashamed" Of Everyone Involved In Stadium Stampede
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It's a really interesting conundrum. Personally, though I liked the Stadium Stampede match and loved the Firefly Fun House "match," they're not really what I go to wrestling for and I'd rather them be standalone pieces than integral parts of a given wrestling card (think DDT, where you'll have an episode of their show solely dedicated to shyt like Apartment Wrestling). So I understand where guys like @TheGreatShowtime are coming from when they say they don't like these matches, and wrestling comedy has traditionally not been any kind of draw.
On the other hand, it's not as if wrestling has created any kind of new fanbase since 2001 anyway, so it's not as if many of the old tricks are working either. So what's the issue and how can it be solved?
What I THINK Cornette is trying to get at, in the most generous reading, is that stuff like this fails to be believable for the general audience. And not just believable in the sense that it could really happen, but believable in that you can suspend your disbelief and invest in it, or at least not have the product look completely silly when you show it to non-wrestling fans.
The thing about that is that regular ass professional wrestling (certainly WWE, if nothing else) looks really silly to the average viewer, what with it's ridiculous and nonsensical angles, horribly out of touch comedy, making everyone look stupid to pop a senile septuagenarian, etc. AEW, which I like quite a lot, manages to be interesting (itself a barrier much of WWE and others's output have failed to cross over the last 20 years), but not always believable, which could hinder crossover potential. Now, I don't think these cinematic matches are going to solve this issue at all (people like watching people actually physically fight to a finish too much for that to happen), but given the circumstances, I don't blame them for doing something different.
Honestly, we might have to be content with the fact that believable angles like that just might not happen for a while (think back to the angles in your life that got people outside the wrestling bubble talking, and you'll find that more of those were serendipitous happenings than you'd initially think). But, really, is the Stadium Stampede really hurting anything more than any other moderately goofy wrestling angle? I mean fukk, at least this was a semi-believable fight, unlike that Boneyard Match garbage.
I grew up watching JCP/WCW, so I always liked the more realistic style of wrestling. The WWF was always too cartoony for me, even as a kid. That's probably why I gravitated towards Bret Hart as my favorite instead of Hogan or Warrior. The old school feel of AEW is what makes me a fan of it. I'm fine with a lot of the comedy stuff, but some of it needs to go. Orange Cassidy is hilarious to me when he's not wrestling, but his matches go to show he's a one trick pony. All of his matches are the exact same and there's nothing new. He is hilarious as an out-of-the-ring character though. I don't like a lot of the flippy shyt either, but when you have guys like Ray Fenix, Ali or Ricochet in WWE who don't botch nearly as much as they should, I have to sit in my seat and be amazed by it. Can't knock it. But then you have the other end of the spectrum, the guys who are not elite at it, doing it every match stinking up the joint. It seems like the latter is more common than the former nowadays. The bolded in your post is what I (and I think Cornette to a more extreme extent) agree with.
The cinematic stuff with Matt Hardy is something I don't get. It's not funny to me or entertaining. I'm in the AEW threads every week speaking my peace on Matt Hardy so I won't derail the thread with that
TrueEpic08
Dum Shiny
I grew up watching JCP/WCW, so I always liked the more realistic style of wrestling. The WWF was always too cartoony for me, even as a kid. That's probably why I gravitated towards Bret Hart as my favorite instead of Hogan or Warrior. The old school feel of AEW is what makes me a fan of it. I'm fine with a lot of the comedy stuff, but some of it needs to go. Orange Cassidy is hilarious to me when he's not wrestling, but his matches go to show he's a one trick pony. All of his matches are the exact same and there's nothing new. He is hilarious as an out-of-the-ring character though. I don't like a lot of the flippy shyt either, but when you have guys like Ray Fenix, Ali or Ricochet in WWE who don't botch nearly as much as they should, I have to sit in my seat and be amazed by it. Can't knock it. But then you have the other end of the spectrum, the guys who are not elite at it, doing it every match stinking up the joint. It seems like the latter is more common than the former nowadays. The bolded in your post is what I (and I think Cornette to a more extreme extent) agree with.
The cinematic stuff with Matt Hardy is something I don't get. It's not funny to me or entertaining. I'm in the AEW threads every week speaking my peace on Matt Hardy so I won't derail the thread with that
Yeah, I actually grew up on WCW myself, and prefer the trappings of that old school style, as well as strong and shoot-style puro to the fireworks displays we get in the indies, specifically because they're not always crisp enough and the matches aren't always structured well enough to make the moves really pop. A consequence of watching guys like Mysterio, Guerrero, Benoit, Jericho, Liger, Pillman, Ultimo Dragon, Psicosis, etc. do their thing in the mid-late 1990s.
shyt...the one guy I really liked in the WWF was Bret Hart too (Shawn was cool in my book then too)!
I get it though. The cinematic stuff is super hit or miss, partially because it's not what I naturally gravitate to begin with, and partially because it's not good enough as a short film or a wrestling match to really capture my attention. It's telling that the two cinematic matches I ended up liking from these last two months was either a compelling short film (Firefly Fun House "match") or a very fun, well-structured brawl (Stadium Stampede).
People always say this, but some of TNA’s best stuff was 2012-14.
Yeah, I actually grew up on WCW myself, and prefer the trappings of that old school style, as well as strong and shoot-style puro to the fireworks displays we get in the indies, specifically because they're not always crisp enough and the matches aren't always structured well enough to make the moves really pop. A consequence of watching guys like Mysterio, Guerrero, Benoit, Jericho, Liger, Pillman, Ultimo Dragon, Psicosis, etc. do their thing in the mid-late 1990s.
shyt...the one guy I really liked in the WWF was Bret Hart too (Shawn was cool in my book then too)!
I get it though. The cinematic stuff is super hit or miss, partially because it's not what I naturally gravitate to begin with, and partially because it's not good enough as a short film or a wrestling match to really capture my attention. It's telling that the two cinematic matches I ended up liking from these last two months was either a compelling short film (Firefly Fun House "match") or a very fun, well-structured brawl (Stadium Stampede).
Jim Cornette has a problem about AEW being believable? This is the same guy saying The Miz doesn't look menacing while he managed guys like the Midnight Express. Dennis Condrey looks like a manager at a grocery store and Bobby Eaton looks like he did stunts for Jim Nabors on Gomer Pyle.
Wwe fukking sucks!!!!
*Crickets*
Meh that aew show was mid....
"U fukking troll!!ur a hater...u hate anything thats not wwe!!"
So we have to like everything aew does or it a troll job
*Crickets*
Meh that aew show was mid....
"U fukking troll!!ur a hater...u hate anything thats not wwe!!"
So we have to like everything aew does or it a troll job
TNAs prime was 05-06 imo, but yea the Bischoff years had some good stuff here and there. And people forget that TNA had been hit and miss for a couple years before Bischoff and Hogan came in too.
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The Amerikkkan Nightmare
This.
I'm in the middle.
It's not that I think Cornette is wrong, per se, it's just that the audience has changed.
A lot of the stuff Cornette likes would be considered "problematic" for this p*ssy ass generation.
You can't get real heat and be real heels today without getting canceled in real life, so they kind of have to be "fun" and constantly play up how fake things are as to not be too offensive, I think
Right.
I stopped for years after the MNWs and only came back in the past few years.
I've already stopped watching Smackdown/Raw other than reading about it here or seein highligts on Twitter.
I'm only staying with AEW because I appreciate what they're trying to do in terms of empowering wrestlers & fans.
This retard still thinks people dont know its fake and theres a threat to "expose the business"
Cornette is the biggest mark of all
I don't think that's what he's saying, per se.
It's like a movie.
Denzel wouldn't in the middle of a scene in Training Day wouldn't start looking at the camera and making a stupid joke while the scene is supposed to be serious.
This the same Jim Cornette that repeatedly slapped Santino because he laughed at this
And Jim got mad he wasnt taking it seriously?
Well, you're supposed to sell when you're working.
Santino was shytting on the product in front of an audience.
You can't do that anywhere, even in WWE
Beautiful Bobby Eatin
SWEEEEEEEEEETNESS!
Then dont get mad when people sell the product in their company and fans like it. Dont call it stupid if you put on stupid shyt yourself. Let them rock
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Then dont get mad when people sell the product in their company and fans like it. Dont call it stupid if you put on stupid shyt yourself. Let them rock
But that's the point, they're not selling it.
Everything is done in AEW tongue in cheek.
"Boogyman" was supposed to be. . .well, a "boogyman" and people were supposed to be afraid of him and Santino's just sitting there laughing and fukking around
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SWEEEEEEEEEETNESS!
It took place on a football field and started with a cowboy riding onto the field on a horse to chase someone. We saw 100 yards of continuous northern lights suplexes and Matt Hardy drowning and changing gimmicks after each reemergence. Id rather them not sell that as serious and let Cody do the serious wrestling stuff.
As for Boogeyman... REALLY?!
Redguard
Hoonding
Cornette is delusional if he thinks bringing back 80s NWA/WCW wrestling will work. It would flop hard among casual fans.
The biggest problem in wrestling is the lack of gimmicks/characters.
Too many wrestlers just seem like regular guys, especially in the WWE.
Sure the in-ring action is great but the WWE doesn't give the casual fan a reason to care about majority of their wrestlers.
AEW does a decent job with gimmicks/characters but they need to be somewhat serious.
The biggest problem in wrestling is the lack of gimmicks/characters.
Too many wrestlers just seem like regular guys, especially in the WWE.
Sure the in-ring action is great but the WWE doesn't give the casual fan a reason to care about majority of their wrestlers.
AEW does a decent job with gimmicks/characters but they need to be somewhat serious.
AEW draws 700k fakkits a week, Cornette was around when millions were watching, but what does he know
Norrin Radd
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AEW draws 700k fakkits a week, Cornette was around when millions were watching, but what does he know