he was leaving regardless i have no issue with thabeet imagine if he actually developed
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he was leaving regardless i have no issue with thabeet imagine if he actually developed
I previewed the OKC offseason here.
Court Bully » Thoughts on the Oklahoma City Thunder’s offseason
But I do want to make a point on Scott Presti. Stop overrating the OKC front office.
'I think the way OKC has built through the draft and what not, has been overstated and overrated. They drafted two potential hall of famers by having top five picks in two consecutive very good drafts. Thats not Sam Presti outhinking people. In addition, the team he has surrounded them with hasnt been particularly impressive, outside of hitting on another top five pick in James Harden. That Perkins contract was a poor move and Sefolosha and Collison should be critisized if Miamis lack of depth was looked at with such scrutiny.
It was a convinient narrative to make OKC into the feel good story for doing it the right way, and its a reach to say that their organization has done something special in terms of team building by out-thinking and out-scouting people. Any other team in the league with their picks in 2007 and 2008 likely end up with Durant, and if not Westbrook, than Kevin Love at that No. 4 spot in 08. The role players werent filled in in any special way. Fortune has a lot to do with this.'
They do have decisions to make thids offseason though.
Court Bully » Thoughts on the Oklahoma City Thunder’s offseason
But I do want to make a point on Scott Presti. Stop overrating the OKC front office.
'I think the way OKC has built through the draft and what not, has been overstated and overrated. They drafted two potential hall of famers by having top five picks in two consecutive very good drafts. Thats not Sam Presti outhinking people. In addition, the team he has surrounded them with hasnt been particularly impressive, outside of hitting on another top five pick in James Harden. That Perkins contract was a poor move and Sefolosha and Collison should be critisized if Miamis lack of depth was looked at with such scrutiny.
It was a convinient narrative to make OKC into the feel good story for doing it the right way, and its a reach to say that their organization has done something special in terms of team building by out-thinking and out-scouting people. Any other team in the league with their picks in 2007 and 2008 likely end up with Durant, and if not Westbrook, than Kevin Love at that No. 4 spot in 08. The role players werent filled in in any special way. Fortune has a lot to do with this.'
They do have decisions to make thids offseason though.
DoubleJ13
Smooth sailing from here on out...
If it so easy to get drafts right then why are teams like Charlotte so bad when they are consistently in the lottery where they should be getting good talent? Presti does an excellent job with the scenarios he is given.
It has to do with luck. Presti didn't outhink anyone.
Charlotte has made some terrible picks, but would have taken durant or Love/Westbrook in 07 and 08. It's not hard.
And he hasn't surrounded those stars particularly well.
He got overrated because of the narrative that villify's Miami since OKC did it 'the right way' and 'built through the draft'.
Charlotte just took MKG. If they got the 1st pick they would have surely taken Davis. Just like Presti would have taken Oden in 07 if Portland took Durant.
I previewed the OKC offseason here.
Court Bully » Thoughts on the Oklahoma City Thunder’s offseason
But I do want to make a point on Scott Presti. Stop overrating the OKC front office.
'I think the way OKC has built through the draft and what not, has been overstated and overrated.
How is drafting a player in russell westbrook who wasn't even projected in the top 10 let alone projected higher than his own bruin teammate love... a easy decision. also how was harden who was exposed at arizona state overrated? you tell meNot to mention serge ibaka.
They drafted two potential hall of famers by having top five picks in two consecutive very good drafts.
That’s not Sam Presti outhinking people. In addition, the team he has surrounded them with hasn’t been particularly impressive, outside of hitting on another top five pick in James Harden.
James harden was projected as nba ready with no upside teams and scouts said reke was the better player
That Perkins contract was a poor move and Sefolosha and Collison should be critisized if Miami’s lack of depth was looked at with such scrutiny.
It was a convinient narrative to make OKC into the feel good story for doing it ‘the right way,’ and it’s a reach to say that their organization has done something special in terms of team building by out-thinking and out-scouting people.
Any other team in the league with their picks in 2007 and 2008 likely end up with Durant, and if not Westbrook, than Kevin Love at that No. 4 spot in 08. The role players weren’t filled in in any special way. Fortune has a lot to do with this.'
What about harden and ibaka are you just going to ignore that, or are you going to ignore the fact that westbrook was incredibly trash coming out of ucla. It's easy to look at the present and say "WOW PRESTI HAD A EASY DECISION" no the fukk he did not westbrook and harden at the time were seen as two consecutive awful decisions
They do have decisions to make thids offseason though.
what a stupid article keep that shyt over there, and all theses players INCLUDING Westbrook would not have been successful on there own teams
he was leaving regardless i have no issue with thabeet imagine if he actually developed
this right here; do we all agree if Thabeet even makes a turn around into a useful player, we can admit that we got the right recipe here in OKC?
It cant get no more clear that that
First of all, Westbrook was rising fast and was considered a top ten pick.
Here are some mocks:
2008 Mock Draft | NBADraft.net
2008 NBA Mock Draft | Tirico Suave
Chad Ford's Mock Draft, Version 7.2: Picks 1-30 - NBA - ESPN
NBA Mock Draft - InsideHoops.com
The fact is very few mocks and predictions had him going outside the top ten, so you were clearly exagerrating your point. That was an excellent draft, and if they take Love instead, the other Bruin you mention, they would be in the same position.
Secondly, Evans could still turn out to be a player of Harden's caliber and it's very premature to act as if that's a done deal. Harden and Evans had basically indistinguishable first two seasons and harden broke out this year. Theyr'e too young for you to act like Harden was the right pick. They're both good young players. The fact is Evans actually had a higher PER combined his first two seasons than Harden. That's the fact, not the overreaction to one season you displayed.
Again, Mr. Presti couldn't go wrong in a great draft.
Thirdly, Ibaka is a raw offensive player and overrated defender. People are enamored with shot blocks, but he plays less than 30 minutes a night and hasn't been worthy of his defensive reputation. So, getting Harden third overall and finding Ibaka isn't overly impressive. Thabo, Fisher, Collison, Maynor, Perkins are not an impressive cast around those guys.
Also, your assumtpion that Westbrook wouldnt have been the same on another team is an inconclusive assesment. Try facts next time.
Rising fast based on combine statistics and internet analysis is not =/= to actual gm boards, no one else in there right mind was taking russell westbrook over gordon, love, lopez, bayless, augustin at the time. westbrook had potential he was a project and was thought to have one of the worst rookie nba seasons out of the top 5 picks. gms and scouts around the league were already calling him a bust after his first season.
Could/IS is two entirely different things, everyone had harden projected lower than evans im talking right now not the future which can't be determined we are referring to the present. Harden breakout season was after the jeff green trade you clearly have no idea what the hell you're talking about and is just going off your own stupid ass opinion/logic. The fact that evans had more minutes and opportunities than harden is the reason why he had a higher per; you obviously know nothing about the thunder team.
So a #22 pick who no one had any idea would actually come over to the nba and produce wasn't an overly successful pick ok buddy
Thabo, a guy who the bulls seen as trash and is now one of the best perimeter defenders in the league was a easy selection?
front loading collisons contract which now makes him one of the most underpaid bench players in the league was easy?
eric maynor one of the best back up pgs was an easy player to trade for?
stfu and get out my thread with your stupid ass articles.
Rising fast based on combine statistics and internet analysis is not =/= to actual gm boards, no one else in there right mind was taking russell westbrook over gordon, love, lopez, bayless, augustin at the time. westbrook had potential he was a project and was thought to have one of the worst rookie nba seasons out of the top 5 picks. gms and scouts around the league were already calling him a bust after his first season.
Could/IS is two entirely different things, everyone had harden projected lower than evans im talking right now not the future which can't be determined we are referring to the present. Harden breakout season was after the jeff green trade you clearly have no idea what the hell you're talking about and is just going off your own stupid ass opinion/logic. The fact that evans had more minutes and opportunities than harden is the reason why he had a higher per; you obviously know nothing about the thunder team.
So a #22 pick who know one had any idea would actually come over to the nba and produce wasn't an overly successful pick ok buddy
Thabo, a guy who the bulls seen as trash and is now one of the best perimeter defenders in the league was a easy selection?
front loading collisons contract which now makes him one of the most underpaid bench players in the league was easy?
eric maynor one of the best back up pgs was an easy player to trade for?
stfu and get out my thread with your stupid ass articles.
Your making things up again. Maynor isn't one of the best backup PG's. the guy shoots under 41 percent so far in his career and hasn't scored more than five points a game.
Harden's FG% went up from 43 to 49% this season. His volume numbers didn't just go up because he had more opportunity post Green. His efficiency went up because he improved as a player. Plus he only shot less than two more attempts a game. His efficiency is what made the difference this season. Your overreacting to one season by saying he was the right pick over Evans.
Thabo is fine as a role player, but he's offensively inept so he's nothing to shout about. Same for Collison. Perkins is vastly overpaid.
They did hit on Westbrook, but your point that he was only rising on the internet is another inconclusive one. The Knicks or Clips would have probably taken him if he dropped.
Again, your hiding behind hyperbole and curse words and I'm not the one. Try facts.
This team landed two HOF talents with top five picks because they stunk for a few years where there was great drafts. Not because of their GM's forsight.
dabestkeptsecret
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That dude is still caking off the league over 10 years since retirement lol
But I think ibaka has a lot of potential; I dont think he'll be anywhere near olajuwan in terms of post moves but if his jumper is more consistent and he gets 1-2 go to moves he could be at least allstar status. I always felt if the thunder couldnt keep both they should just get rid of harden. I dont see that cat improving as much as ibaka can and u can get other shooters like jr smith or ray allen to replace him.
This is harden's statistic post jeff green trade
March: 494%fg 355% 3pg 16.8 ppg
April .39% fg 27% 3p 13.6 ppg in 5 games
now once again gtfo of my thread
Right, so we'll go off one month sample sizes to make our judgements now. His hot month must have been because Green wasn't there,not because more shots were dropping for a sretch!
You sound like a defensive fan whose not willing to talk to anyone who isn't pro-Thunder. I'll bring you back to reality.